Cannon , JVC, SONY, Panasonic HDV vanishing?

	Re: Cannon , JVC, SONY, Panasonic HDV vanishing? by Michael Sacci on Jun 23, 2008 at 10:03:22 pm That is such an open ended questions, all cameras can do a professional job but some are better is one area than another. I don't think HDV is going anywhere, it has its issues but you can do good work with that format and it is still a tape based format, which still has its pluses. But without knowing your budget, your focus all you will get is other peoples preferences. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Cannon , JVC, SONY, Panasonic HDV vanishing? by Shane Ross on Jun 23, 2008 at 10:03:44 pm Sadly, it isn't fading away. Seems to be going strong. For the record, Panasonic never did HDV. They did DVCPRO HD. Sony and Canon's HDV formats are the same, JVCs is VERY different, thus the reason why they have the most issues. Shane GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it. Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Cannon , JVC, SONY, Panasonic HDV vanishing? by walter biscardi on Jun 23, 2008 at 10:29:48 pm Sony does the best HDV, though I've never been a fan of that format for editing. Acquisition is fine, but not for editing. JVC is the worst. Panasonic has never done HDV, only DVCPro HD. The format's not going anywhere as far as I can see. As you're discussing these cameras I'm assuming you have a fairly low budget for cameras. If you want HDV, get a Sony, they have the best image I've seen in these cameras. If you want to spend a little more, get the Panasonic DVCPro HD cameras. Walter Biscardi, Jr. Biscardi Creative Media HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions. STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now! Read my Blog! Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Cannon , JVC, SONY, Panasonic HDV vanishing? by Arnie Schlissel on Jun 23, 2008 at 11:00:28 pm [walter biscardi] "If you want to spend a little more, get the Panasonic DVCPro HD cameras." Or look at the Sony EX1 or EX3. The downside is that they're still long-GOP, but they're also tapeless, full raster 1080, and better quality, higher bandwidth than HDV. Arnie Post production is not an afterthought! http://www.arniepix.com/ Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Cannon , JVC, SONY, Panasonic HDV vanishing? by Shane Ross on Jun 23, 2008 at 11:52:34 pm Beg pardon...I believe that AVCHD is Panasonics answer to HDV. DVCPRO HD has been around for a LONG time...and in no way can be compared to HDV. AVCHD however, can. ANd this is an emerging codec. Joy...MORE codecs. Shane GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it. Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Cannon , JVC, SONY, Panasonic HDV vanishing? by Shane Ross on Jun 24, 2008 at 12:28:08 am Not worse in image quality...worse in cooperating with NLEs. Updates to OS and FCP versions tend to break compatibility with that format. But that might fall in Apple's lap... Shane GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it. Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Cannon , JVC, SONY, Panasonic HDV vanishing? by Bob Zelin on Jun 24, 2008 at 12:51:14 am Hi Vinnie - well, just to drive everyone crazy (because that is what I do) - HDV is a very popular format, but there is no question that both Sony and Panasonic (and all the 4K guys like RED) want flash card style media to take off - because they get to charge you a lot of $$$ for the cards, that get outdated every 3 months. So there is a lot of HDV out there, but there is a BIG buzz for P2, XDCam EX, and of course RED flash cards. Let me make this simple - you see how Sony Beta lasted for 10 - 15 years? THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. There is NO format - tape or data format that will last like this any longer. No matter what you buy, it's going to be outdated soon. See all those wonderful MAC G5's out there on everyone's FCP system. Just wait until Snow Leopard OS-X 10.6 comes out- then all these perfectly working MAC G5's are useless ("what the hell do you mean - I can still cut FCP DVCProHD on my G5 just fine with my AJA hardware"). The moral is that you have to jump in and buy something, and start making money to pay off your purchase, because before you know it, the next piece of junk is going to come out, and people will say "oh, you have those 128 gig P2 cards (to be released 1st Qr. 2009) - those are SO obsolete- the 512 Gig cards are coming out this summer. (The 32 gig P2 card is the largest card currently available). EVERYTHING is obsolete. Buy a RED camera - should have bought the EPIC from RED at 5K, because the REAL pros will want 5K. It's a game, and no matter what you buy, it's not cool enough, big enough, fast enough, etc. You just have to jump in and start playing. Everyone on this list has done this, and you must do this too (or go to work for McDonalds). Bob zelin Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Cannon , JVC, SONY, Panasonic HDV vanishing? by gary adcock on Jun 25, 2008 at 2:43:01 pm [Fred Miller] "But in reality it's "wrapped a in 29.97 container." What a confusing pain in the... I still don't get it. No matter how many times I read it. And it adds just another layer of complexity to the workflow." Thats because it is based on a film frame rate and workflow that is squeezed into a video pipeline. Pulldown was created to make the old work within the new by adding frames to complete the total volume of images to finish filling the "video pipeline" You do know that 24p is played back as 48i in 1080 right? It does this to ease the strain your eyes since you are used to looking at 60i ( 29.97 frames is 59.94 fields - and called 60i) gary adcock Studio37 HD & Film Consultation Post and Production Workflows Inside look at the IoHD Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Now 1080 24p is really 48i by gary adcock on Jun 25, 2008 at 3:54:24 pm [Fred Miller] "When I go to a movie theatre, is it not projected 24p? My eyes seem to have no problem there. " Sorry but no, its not - projection is at 48 fps using a double opening shutter hence 24p is shown as 48i "Don't get me wrong, I prefer the smooth motion of 29.97 over 23.98. " Then 24p is not for you. Don't use it, I do not work on projects that shoot a 30p - my preference, I like 24 and I "get" how pulldown works, so for me it is not an issue. Some people swear by one camera or another - frame rates are the same kind of thing. "I started working for a company that shoots primarily HDCAM at 24p and edits and masters at 29.97" Sorry but that is plain foolishness. you should master at what it was shot at -then change the frame rate for delivery - even if it is only being shown in SD, you have much better results mastering at the original camera frame rates. Delivery is something completely different. "So when you say 1080 is ALWAYS monitored at 48fps I wonder in what context you mean. Are you saying that video shot at 24p what never MEANT to be viewed at 24p" I said exactly what I meant- you are NOT looking at 24fps at any time in the process you are looking at 48i- while the NLE can handle the material as P the playback on your monitor is always PsF. The specs for HDCam capture and playback are called PsF by SMPTE -and if you are recording on tape in a 1080 camera you are NOT capturing a Truly progressive image- you have to record into an external capture device that can handle the content as P - Rave HD, S.Two, Codex recorders can all do this, your tape cannot. - I have beat this horse for awhile now, I have been told that there are something in the area of 42 posts of mine on this subject. just do a search. gary adcock Studio37 HD & Film Consultation Post and Production Workflows Inside look at the IoHD Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Now 1080 24p is really 48i by gary adcock on Jun 25, 2008 at 8:25:49 pm [Fred Miller] "hat the best way is to deal with HDV (specifically P2 shot at 24PN) on a 23.97 timeline." First P2 is NOT and never has been HDV. Second if it was shot 23.98 it should play directly in a 23.98 timeline. What was CT used for? a CT Conform does NOT change the content only the header on the file. gary adcock Studio37 HD & Film Consultation Post and Production Workflows Inside look at the IoHD Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Now 1080 24p is really 48i by gary adcock on Jun 26, 2008 at 12:22:30 pm [Fred Miller] "Thanks again for all the advice. " You are welcome Fred. gary adcock Studio37 HD & Film Consultation Post and Production Workflows Inside look at the IoHD Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index