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Determine Remove Pulldown settings with out TC Burn in?
by Jay Lee on Jun 21, 2008 at 6:34:15 pm

Good morning Guys,
We are attempting to reverse telecine some 29.97 footage that originated on 35mm @ 24FPS and came to us via digibeta.
The question is with out burn in time code how does one determine field order, cadence etc in order reverse telecine in Cinema Tools?

All thoughts most welcome.

Cheers,


J

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Re: Determine Remove Pulldown settings with out TC Burn in?
by Jay Lee on Jun 21, 2008 at 7:12:21 pm

OK......so After Effects guessed WWSSW and upon render it is perfect. How would we apple this knowledge in CT???

Thx

J




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Re: Determine Remove Pulldown settings with out TC Burn in?
by Jeremy Garchow on Jun 23, 2008 at 2:54:37 am

Compressor has a rev telecine process that works very well. You should use the original media and not exported media.

In Cinema Tools you have to manually find the 'A' frame and then set CT to rev telecine. The CT manual is really short and easy to use/read. The process is explained pretty well in there.

Jeremy




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Re: Determine Remove Pulldown settings with out TC Burn in?
by Jay Lee on Jun 23, 2008 at 6:52:28 am

Good evening Jeremy,
So appreciate you taking the time to write....thank you. I did finally achieve decent results from CT by assessing the source material 'A' frame etc however the resulting gamma and chroma shift were un-exceptable.
Currently exploring other options.

Best,


J








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Re: Determine Remove Pulldown settings with out TC Burn in?
by Jeremy Garchow on Jun 23, 2008 at 2:52:19 pm

[Jay Lee] " I did finally achieve decent results from CT by assessing the source material 'A' frame etc however the resulting gamma and chroma shift were un-exceptable. "

There should be no gamma sift as CT isn't doing anything to the image except reconstructing the C frame. WHere are you checking this gamma shift? On a monitor?

Have you tried Compressor?

Jeremy

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Re: Determine Remove Pulldown settings with out TC Burn in?
by Jay Lee on Jun 23, 2008 at 4:46:25 pm

Yes.....a very noticeable darkening and increase in saturation on any thing coming out of CT. A/B the results in AE, FC and Color and all show a clear gamma shift evident by eye but also on the scopes.
Compressor is doing a great job and it's auto reverse TC function makes CT's work flow a bit of a joke.
AE does a good job of detecting the pulldown removal but footage rendered from AE is extremely soft and also with a noticeable gamma shift.

Best,

J








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Re: Determine Remove Pulldown settings with out TC Burn in?
by Jeremy Garchow on Jun 23, 2008 at 4:58:59 pm

[Jay Lee] "AE does a good job of detecting the pulldown removal but footage rendered from AE is extremely soft and also with a noticeable gamma shift. "

That I would suspect. CT is a new one. I'll have to check that out.

Yes, the Compressor workflow simplifies everything. It's new in v3. Is your time code okay?

Jeremy

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