Check out the Back Country Bombshells streaming 720p at 1,700kbps....
It plays so sweet full screen on my discount 24" Westinghouse plugged into my MacBook Pro, over wireless internet connection to my router and WOW cable service.
I had no idea mpg4 looked so good at that size streaming over the internet...
I would love to see it on those more 'professional' HD monitors..
And now I know why Apple is not excited about Blue Ray HD DVDs..... Why ship it, when you can steam it.
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Christopher Wright on Jun 12, 2008 at 3:22:31 am
While impressive quality, it choked a total of 8 times on my T1 connection. Also most of my clients need a DVD or HD DVD to distribute content that can be played for digital projection or high res monitor, not just look at once on their computer screen.
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Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Nate Stephens on Jun 12, 2008 at 3:48:14 am
Chris,
I don't know about your T1 connection, but on my WOW cable hook up, using my 2.4 MacBook Pro (4gb ram) it did not choke at all,,, and I had it repeating itself for a couple hours at 1,700kbps..
And I expected it to choke... not at all ,,,, that is what is amazing....... at that grade level...
And yes distribution is the name of this game,,, any where in the world,, when they want to view it...
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Bret Williams on Jun 12, 2008 at 5:20:58 am
You might want to jump on over to speedtest.net and see what kind of speed you really have. Any cable connection should have no problem with that bit rate. If you have slow DSL though...
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Bob Flood on Jun 12, 2008 at 3:00:13 pm
Chris
the days of actually handing or biking or fedexing a client something physical are over. You know it, I know it, But the DVD doesnt know it.
If i could compress a full screen movie directly to a streaming server, it saves me at least 3 minutes per finished minute to make approval copies, and i dont have to worry about a fingerprint making the dvd skip, i would find a way to get clients to go this way.
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Chris Brown on Jun 13, 2008 at 12:00:45 am
You're 100% right there. We haven't handed over a DVD daily/cut/anything during an edit for almost 2 years. Just finished a spot today, and the entire client review process for sound and picture was done via the internet.
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Wayne Carey on Jun 12, 2008 at 4:14:27 pm
All very very impressive...
Some clients will go for this but some still want that DVD in hand to watch whenever and wherever they want. Personally, this is an awesome concept for client previews.
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Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Chris Borjis on Jun 12, 2008 at 4:19:31 pm
This has potential and WILL eventually take over, but not
until it can be done with 1080P video, nothing but smooth playback, and the audio quality is MUCH improved.
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Anthony Dalesandro on Jun 13, 2008 at 7:28:28 pm
I had no problems streaming it either. Using my company's T1 with 250 other employees on a 4 core 2.66 MacPro.
Got a little blocky on the fades so it's nowhere near Blu-ray quality, but exceptional for full screen web quality.
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Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Christopher Wright on Jun 13, 2008 at 10:18:44 pm
There of course is a huge difference between client approvals and finished product output. Blu-Ray can and will take off only when Hollywood decides that consumers can buy a RECORDING stand-alone Blu-ray unit. Now they are still nixing the sale of units based on their old Betamax paradigm. Otherwise Blu Ray will never really take off.
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Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Nate Stephens on Jun 14, 2008 at 1:04:05 pm
Sean,
yes we have had H264 for awhile now, but, have you ever seen it streamed at full screen 24" with out all the hicups.... I haven't. I have seen half screen with out the hicups, but not full screen 1,700kbps..
That is what amazes me... And then to think these Velocix folks will let you upload 500gbs* per month for free world wide streaming
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Sean ONeil on Jun 14, 2008 at 5:36:47 pm
[Nate Stephens]"yes we have had H264 for awhile now, but, have you ever seen it streamed at full screen 24" with out all the hicups.... I haven't. I have seen half screen with out the hicups, but not full screen 1,700kbps.. "
Yes, I have. Many, many times. You guys are living in a cave if you haven't seen fullscreen HD streaming until recently. Netflix Instant Viewing, for example, is 2200kbps. And they call it Instant Viewing for a reason.
I think your confusion exists because you use the Quicktime Player browser plugin. It doesn't have a fullscreen button for some reason. Every other player does. Flash 9 now supports h264 (which isn't much different than VC1 or Divx) so I guess this is the first time you've seen h264 full screen.
Apple Trailers
http://www.apple.com/trailers/ They've been using QTL links instead of the QT browser plugin for a while now. So you can watch fullscreen in the regular QT Player. If you're on a cable modem, you can start playback immediately.
Divx Stage 6 has been around so long they just shut it down recently:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stage6 They had HD streaming since 2006. That's 2006, as in 2 years ago.
There's many more. Maybe certain streaming server services suck, and I guess you're trying to sell this one or something and you're saying it doesn't suck. That's cool, but please don't pretend this is some amazing new technology.
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Nate Stephens on Jun 14, 2008 at 5:59:23 pm
Sean,
I not selling anything.... yes I understand that is kinda of hard to believe for this pasture.
And yes I must be living in a cave..... I was just amazed at this implementation of available technology. And thought I would share.
I guess your astute observations is why you get paid the big bucks and can afford all the latest toys to stay current on the latest tech.. You are very blessed and probably always got an A+ on Show and Tell days in grade school.....
I appreciate the links and will check them out.... and now back to my cave.....
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Sean ONeil on Jun 14, 2008 at 6:29:57 pm
Co'mon now. Don't be like that.
It doesn't cost money or require toys. All you need is a computer. And I'm not picking on you personally. There's like 4 or 5 people in this thread who've also never seen this before. Frankly, I find it a bit weird.
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Nate Stephens on Jun 14, 2008 at 7:25:44 pm
Sean, It cost money to buy the latest toys..
Try playing those streams at even 800kbps on a cable hookup and a G4 dual gig with 1gig of ram with out hickups.... it doesn't work here..nope ... and the 1,700kbps just turns into a slide show with audio.
But on my Dec 07- 2.4 MacBook pro it works flawlessly... and is great to see it work so sweet..
New tech is great.... when it works even better.......when you can afford to buy it better yet... and when you can sell it to the client at a profit thats the best tech... and yes it can take years for this to happen.
I am amazed and with their free uploads, I should be able to convince some of my more Dinosaur clients
to consider it..... and hopefully get my new HPX500 real busy so I can buy more new toys..
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Zane Barker on Jun 15, 2008 at 5:50:40 am
[Sean ONeil]"It doesn't cost money or require toys. All you need is a computer."
[Nate Stephens]"Sean, It cost money to buy the latest toys.. "
It about MORE then just the toys.
I have a 2 month old 17" MBP with Hi-Res display (1920x1200) and I get LOTS of choking, and like I said before I have the fastest internet connection available in my part of the city (1.3) the largest city in the state.
While the video does look good for web video, I still noticed plenty of pixilation at times.
In NO way would I consider the end all web solution you clam it is.
There are no "technical solutions" to your "artistic problems".
Don't let technology get in the way of your creativity!
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Nate Stephens on Jun 15, 2008 at 8:45:44 pm
Zane,
I found "Veloxic" thru a Streaming Media newsletter advert and asked for more info, because I need to learn this streaming video thing.. The next day I was surprised when a senior tech called from England to inquire as to what my anticipated needs could be. He then emailed me the link that I posted in this thread for my comments. I emailed the Brit back saying that I had also shared his link on the cow for comments from this herd and he replied that the link was not there official demo. You need to go to their web site for the official demo.. The problem with this link is that it is not fully "propagated" to all the servers in their network, which means that some locals could experience the hicups / choking you have experienced.
Check out their web site demo to see if you have the same problem....
"In NO way would I consider the end all web solution you clam it is." Nobody is claiming (or claming) anything.... It is just an example that I thought this herd would be interested in knowing about....
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Sean ONeil on Jun 17, 2008 at 2:18:01 am
[Zane Barker]"I have a 2 month old 17" MBP with Hi-Res display (1920x1200) and I get LOTS of choking,"
Something's wrong with your machine. My parents have a Mac Mini G4 (not an Intel, a frickin G4) and I've watched fullscreen 480p Apple Trailers over there several times.
Re: OT; Is this why Apple says Blue Ray who by Zane Barker on Jun 17, 2008 at 2:35:24 am
[Sean ONeil]"Something's wrong with your machine."
I assure you there is NOTHING wrong with my machine it runs PERFECT. It is the fact that the video is from the the internet. I am betting that if I were to take my machine to a location with a better internet connection it would play fine. The internet available in america is OVERALL at crappy speeds. THe ONLy way to have a good web video solution in the US is to have it capable at playing fine at LOW internet speeds. Ether that or convince all the internet companies to upgrade the speed in all locations.
If you had fully red my point I said that my internet speed is s1.3 tops and that that is the highest I can get in my part of town and I live in the largest city in my state.
In NO way is it the computer. It is the crappy internet speeds available in america. So unless you can deliver that high of quality video with out buffering or rebuffing LOTS of people in this country are going to have problems.
There are no "technical solutions" to your "artistic problems".
Don't let technology get in the way of your creativity!
