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Problem with Firewire
by Carson Hamlin on May 27, 2008 at 6:20:20 pm

Hi there,
We've had a G5 for a couple of years now and have had a problem capturing directly in to it from firewire. The problem is that we get random drop-outs and skips in the video/audio. This is a very random problem. Sometimes we can go an hour of capturing and sometimes we only get a minute or two. We've tried capturing from different firewire devices with no success.
We're using a G5 with dual 2.7 Ghz processors. 4.5 GB of DDR SDRAM.
Final Cut 5.0.1
Any suggestions would be great.
Thanks,
Carson

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Re: Problem with Firewire
by Steve Eisen on May 27, 2008 at 7:29:19 pm

Have you tried using a different firewire cable?

Steve Eisen
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Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group

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Re: Problem with Firewire
by Jeff Carpenter on May 27, 2008 at 7:52:44 pm

When you say "directly in to it" what exactly are you referring to? A second internal hard drive? The boot drive? An external drive? Firewire or USB?

Let us know where this video is going to.



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Re: Problem with Firewire
by Carson Hamlin on May 27, 2008 at 8:13:05 pm

Hi,
What we're doing is using firewire to encode directly into an internal second drive on the Apple. We've tried using different firewire cables, different decks. We've tried encoding to different internal drives. We've even reinstalled the software. No help with anything. This has been a very strange and aggravating problem.
One thought we have is to upgrade our capture card to handle firewire. That would bypass the firewire ports on the apple.
Carson



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Re: Problem with Firewire
by Jeremy Garchow on May 27, 2008 at 8:18:38 pm

If you have a capture card, why are you using firewire?

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Re: Problem with Firewire
by Carson Hamlin on May 27, 2008 at 8:21:11 pm

Our current capture card is analog component only. We didn't think we needed to have firewire on the card because we could capture directly using Apple's firewire ports.
Carson



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Re: Problem with Firewire
by Jeremy Garchow on May 27, 2008 at 8:24:51 pm

Why don't you capture analog component?

Most capture cards don't have firewire for capture on them.

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Re: Problem with Firewire
by Carson Hamlin on May 27, 2008 at 8:28:03 pm

Because it's analog component. We'd rather capture in firewire if possible.
Carson



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Re: Problem with Firewire
by Jeremy Garchow on May 27, 2008 at 8:34:30 pm

Well, we can argue about that quality later, first we must test.

If you capture in analog component, does your footage skip around?

Do you have the drop frames warning option turned on?

What kind of card do you have?

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Re: Problem with Firewire
by Carson Hamlin on May 27, 2008 at 10:27:59 pm

Jeremy,
When we capture using our capture card, no problem. We're using the KONA LS card. We do have the drop frame warning turned on. We've never gotten a warning even when the clip has jumps in it.
So, I've been talking with one of our editors and he gave me the capture config that he's been using to capture firewire direct. Can you or someone verify that this is correct for capturing firewire directly on to an internal hard drive.
Here are our settings:
Capture Preset- Frame size 720X480
Aspect- NTSC 3;2
Quick time setting- DV Video
Input DV-VCR
Compressor- DV/DVC-PRO- NTSC
Quality 100%
Frame rate- 29.97

Thanks for any advice.
Carson




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Re: Problem with Firewire
by David Smith on May 28, 2008 at 12:05:15 am

Carson,

Do you have anything else attached to any of the FW ports on your machine? They all share the same buss.

Regards,
David



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Re: Problem with Firewire
by Jeremy Garchow on May 28, 2008 at 1:58:19 am

[David Smith] "Do you have anything else attached to any of the FW ports on your machine?"

That was going to be the exact question I was going to ask next.

If the Kona LH works and firewire doesn't, it sounds to me like you you don't have your capture preset set properly, or you have other firewire devices hooked to your machine.

To capture via firewire, simply hit control-q and choose dv ntsc. You should be fine if your dv deck is attached at that point. I'd recommend capturing with the Kona as it's much easier (and works), and you can capture your footage at a higher quality codec to gain some quality in all of your effects and text in your timeline.

Jeremy

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