Re: new IoHD lookalike ... sort of by walter biscardi on May 20, 2008 at 3:17:28 pm
Yeah, and I'm sure it works just as well as the other one. I can't tell you how many people told me they purchased the original one and replaced it within months with a "real video I/O device, the Io HD."
They still have all these multiple connections for Component, SDI, etc... The AJA boxes can autoswitch so you don't need so many connectors.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.
Re: new IoHD lookalike ... sort of by Will Salley on May 20, 2008 at 5:57:28 pm
It's actually an upgrade to the MOTU V3 - which was introduced before the ioHD. It's not as popular as the AJA unit because MOTU is primarily an audio device designer. It, like the ioHD, is limited in function because of the data bottleneck imposed by the Firewire connection.
Re: new IoHD lookalike ... sort of by walter biscardi on May 20, 2008 at 6:40:37 pm
[Steve Eisen]"And all this talk before the Matrox MXO 2 is released.
Like all pieces of equipment, it is how you use it in your workflow."
I would definitely take the MXO 2 over anything from MOTU. It's not the same as the Io HD, I would still take the Io HD for all the versatility, but the MXO 2 is a vast improvement over the original MXO. At least we hope it will be when its released.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.
Re: new IoHD lookalike ... sort of by Ed Dooley on May 20, 2008 at 6:50:43 pm
One big, big, vast improvement is that it's no longer just an O box, now it's an I/O box. I hope they don't drag their feet for 7-8 months or more to update compatiblity/usability whenever a new graphics card comes out though, like they did when Macbook Pros changed cards, rendering the MXO totally useless with them. It didn't stop them from ads showing a MBP hooked up to the MXO either. (Insert grumble here)
Ed
[walter biscardi]"I would definitely take the MXO 2 over anything from MOTU. It's not the same as the Io HD, I would still take the Io HD for all the versatility, but the MXO 2 is a vast improvement over the original MXO. At least we hope it will be when its released."
Re: new IoHD lookalike ... sort of by Tony Manolikakis on May 20, 2008 at 7:06:54 pm
The MXO2 does not have the Scan Converting mode or the artifact removal for DVI viewing and it does not connect through DVI. This should eliminate a lot of complexities with changing graphics card and dependency on graphic card software fixes.
Re: new IoHD lookalike ... sort of by gary adcock on May 20, 2008 at 7:17:49 pm
[Ed Dooley]"One big, big, vast improvement is that it's no longer just an O box, now it's an I/O box."
True, however it will take a vast amount of CPU power to be able to make the MXO2 capture to ProRes- where the IoHD shines is that the video compression is controlled in the device rather than allowing the CPU to handle the load.
Hardware processing means real time- no waiting, dumping that load into a laptop for processing is asking for issues.
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Re: new IoHD lookalike ... sort of by Ed Dooley on May 21, 2008 at 3:23:06 pm
But the MOTU does hardware acceleration of DVCProHD and SD. This from their site:
>>>>Hardware-accelerated DVCPro capture/playback — provides hardware-accelerated capture and playback of industry standard DVCProHD/P2, DVCPro50 and DVCPro25 video streams to/from Final Cut Pro and Premiere Pro<<<<
The MXO2 doesn't do hardware accelerated capture. They do Hardware upscaling for FCP Dynamic RT segments. As I see it right now, the IOHD wins for hardware based ProRes capture, the MXO2 wins in portability, the V4HD wins in hardware based DVCProHD, they all do hardware up/down conversion. And the MOTU wins for numbers of lights. :-)
Ed
[walter biscardi]"Same is true for the MXO2, it won't do any conversion to ProRes either and not sure if it will convert to DVCPro HD, DV and DV50 like the Io HD can."
Re: new IoHD lookalike ... sort of by David Smith on May 23, 2008 at 8:18:21 pm
Have you ever evaluated the V3HD yourself Walter? You have repeatedly bashed MOTU here on the COW, but I only see anecdotal reasons in your posts. I own two of these units and have been very satisfied with them. I know another company that owns seven of them and they are quite happy with the product.
I really like the fact that I can bring timecode directly into Final Cut Pro without any additional hardware. A fact that I've mentioned in several threads when people erroneously report that the IO HD can't do that because of a problem with Final Cut Pro.
I really like the fact that MOTU has been very responsive to customer input. Re-designing the unit with a quieter cooling system, for example, and offering free replacements for units with the original design.
I really like the fact that I'm being offered a free upgrade (limited time) from the V3HD to the V4HD.
I find the anti MOTU, pro AJA bias to be rather odd. As I've stated in the past, I own products from both companies. I like both companies. I have had both good and not so good customer service from both companies. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase a product from either, based on my own, real experience with products from both companies.
So I'd really like to know: Have you, yourself had bad experiences with the V3HD or with the MOTU company?
Re: new IoHD lookalike ... sort of by walter biscardi on May 24, 2008 at 12:58:13 am
[David Smith]"Have you ever evaluated the V3HD yourself Walter? You have repeatedly bashed MOTU here on the COW, but I only see anecdotal reasons in your posts. I own two of these units and have been very satisfied with them. I know another company that owns seven of them and they are quite happy with the product."
I don't have to, enough people I work with have tried it for me. In ever case, the unit has been sent back. You're the first person I've heard of that can even get it to work properly and reliably.
[David Smith]"So I'd really like to know: Have you, yourself had bad experiences with the V3HD or with the MOTU company?"
Again, I don't have to, I'm getting the information first hand from the folks who have tried it. In one particular case a local company asked my advice of the MOTU vs. Io HD. I explained that MOTU is an audio company and I would not consider a video conversion product from them, especially after looking at the layout of it and seeing the specs. They purchased the MOTU. With AJA's strong background in video production and the "real" realtime conversions, I recommended AJA. One month later they replaced it with the Io HD.
If the Matrox MXO2 lives up to its billing, that looks like a great product too. The MOTU boxes are just not something that I would consider for our uses nor can I recommend them at this time based on the information I have received.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.
More flashing lights... by Arnie Schlissel on May 20, 2008 at 8:38:47 pm
Regardless of how you feel about the quality & functionality, MOTU continues to lead the HD I/O market in flashing lights. I'm surprised they haven't pushed this in their press releases...
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