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Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Richard Martz on Feb 20, 2008 at 2:12:45 am

And a great Tribute to HD-DVD. Your life was all too short but you will be remembered along with Panasonic's M Format, U Matic, Betacam, Betacam SP, Betamax 1, Betamax 2, D2, D3 D4, VHS, and DAT recorders, 1 inch Type C, 8mm and all the others.

I'm buying a BLU-Ray tomorrow. I predict that half of America's eager Geeks who have been waiting will do the same.

Thanks for all the great information on authoring to BLU Ray.

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by eric pautsch on Feb 20, 2008 at 5:51:04 am

LOL...the difference between HD DVD and all those formats you listed is all those are still in use today in one form or another.

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Sean ONeil on Feb 20, 2008 at 9:12:15 am

Yeah, except Betamax :).

Funny, I thought by the time the format war ended, both would be totally obsolete:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Rennie Klymyk on Feb 20, 2008 at 9:43:14 pm

[Sean ONeil] "Yeah, except Betamax :)"

I worked for a Vocational school in the 80's that switched to betamax from 16mm. They used betamax well into the 90's. I know a guy locally who still shoots and edits with ED Beta although he is pretty much retired now. Eventually all tape formats will go the way of the Dodo bird and everything will be wireless.

"everything is broken" ......1st. coined by Esther Philips I believe.

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Richard Martz on Feb 21, 2008 at 12:47:22 pm

Just wondering whom Esther Phillips might be?

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Rennie Klymyk on Feb 21, 2008 at 3:38:48 pm

Esther Phillips was/is a blues singer from way back. I remembered hearing the song "everything is broken" by a female blues artist years before Bob Dylan revisited the tune about 10 years ago and made it a little more famous. The lyrics seemed to fit with modern technology then and now so more than ever hence the quote just stuck with me. I actually haven't spent the time to confirm whether or not she is the writer of the song but I know I heard it prior to Bob's release of his version.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Phillips

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Richard Martz on Feb 21, 2008 at 3:50:06 pm

ASCAP BMI lists Dylan as the writer so I guess the tune was original to him. I just went on ITunes and purchased a copy. Thanks for bringing this Dylan tune back to me. Great lyrics. And you are right..the words still ring true today. I think this song would make a great video to set up for a sermon on how trivial this life is and maybe call people back to what really matters most - corporate video. NOT! Are you feelin' me?

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Rennie Klymyk on Feb 21, 2008 at 4:30:15 pm

Thanks for checking that out, I took your word for it and gave the credit to Bob. I'll have to dig into Esther's music to see if I can find the song I confused the credit with. Perhaps it was what inspired Bob Dylan.

Not sure where the corporate video fits in though...

"everything is broken" ......Bob Dylan

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Richard Martz on Feb 21, 2008 at 4:34:47 pm

Corporate video. Just a crude attempt at humor. And yes. That was a double entendre.

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Rennie Klymyk on Feb 21, 2008 at 4:43:51 pm

Well I have to agree with you, this life can be trivial but it is good to have a sense of humor.

"everything is broken" ......Bob Dylan

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by walter biscardi on Feb 20, 2008 at 1:02:52 pm

Is D9 still around?

I'll tell you one thing, the first time you watch Pixar's "Ratatouille" or "Cars" on a 50" or larger HDTV Plasma display from the BluRay disc you will be in awe. Stand back about 10 feet (the recommended distance for a 50" screen) and both films look almost 3D.

And the first time you author your first HD project to BluRay you'll be in awe again because the disc looks exactly like your HD original. The first time I saw that I was just so happy to finally see the quality of our work able to maintain itself on a consumer format.

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Doug Beal on Feb 20, 2008 at 2:50:11 pm

The first one we did we had to go back to the edit bay 'cause the blu ray looked better than what we were cutting. We had been monitoring SD in the edit bay to make sure broadcast would be OK. My kingdom for a Cine-tal



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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Richard Martz on Feb 20, 2008 at 5:04:32 pm

I know what you mean about having exceptional monitoring. i was at Crawford Communications (Crawford.com) for several years. Crawford has been a leader from the beginning in the adoption of HD. One thing that we learned there was that it is very difficult to appreciate HD quality on monitors that have a diagonal measurement of less than 48 inches. You can certainly that it is HD but you still miss a lot of information. So when the HD edit suites were constructed they equipped them with HD test monitors but also with high quality HD projectors. With those projectors we could see EVERYTHING. We understood the strengths and weaknesses of our material and we could act accordingly to correct things that needed to be dealt with.

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Chris Borjis on Feb 20, 2008 at 5:53:22 pm

[walter biscardi] "Is D9 still around?"

A client just brought me a box of D9 tapes the other day by golly. I rented a deck locally. I couldn't believe I found one.


I still have a 1983 made laserdisc player and it plays every laserdisc I put in it.



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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Chris Babbitt on Feb 20, 2008 at 6:45:03 pm

But, what about "Laser Rot?"



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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Richard Martz on Feb 20, 2008 at 6:58:01 pm

Are you being funny or does that really happen. I've always had visions of someone opening a time vault in about 500 years and wondering what the strange shiny discs are.

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Richard Martz on Feb 20, 2008 at 6:41:23 pm

Yep on the D9.

The thing is we still have a lot to deal with - it is just different packaging. Now we have P2 chips and now Sony's new XD CAM with both the CHIP recording version and the DVD/Disc record media. HDV on DV Tape. And there are probably some new formats that I'm not even familiar with yet. We will have to see what NAB holds. Of course with web marketing NAB doesn't have the prestige that it used to have for exhibitors. Of Course we heard months ago that AVID was skipping NAB and marketing directly to customers "where they live and work". I'm still waiting on a AVID rep to show up on my doorstep.

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Chris Babbitt on Feb 20, 2008 at 7:05:47 pm

Oh yes, it's true. On some discs, several in my case, air gets in between the layers and a fungus develops, which results in a very noisy image that gets progressively worse. This was supposedly corrected once the problem was discovered, but I have it on a couple of the most recently manufactured discs.





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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Chris Borjis on Feb 21, 2008 at 7:11:23 am


well it plays the non-rotted discs I guess. I've never seen a rotted laser disc, but I have seen a rotted Blu-Ray.





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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Rennie Klymyk on Feb 21, 2008 at 7:45:34 am

[Chris Borjis] "well it plays the non-rotted discs I guess. I've never seen a rotted laser disc, but I have seen a rotted Blu-Ray.
"


It's good if it won't play the rotten ones, you wouldn't have to waste your time watching them. Nothing like sitting through a movie and catching yourself thinking " I should have stayed home, I could be doing laundry" You know it has to be a rotten one at that point. :-)

I had a laser disc sitting on top of the refrigerator at the back for several years. It was placed on a bowl of almost the same diameter and eventually some smaller bowls were placed on top of it. One day I noticed it was all wonky with warps 1" - 1.5" across it but what did I care, I don't have a player anymore anyway. Just recently I moved it and it was pretty well perfectly flat again. The smaller bowls had been taken off it for several months and it just flattened out again on it's own. and I don't take drugs either.

I've seem lots of re-writable cd's get those bubbles then the coating peels off but not dvd's or laser discs. Sony has created that new hard coating for bluray which is supposed to make them fairly indestructible.

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Re: Thanks for the Blu-Ray Posts
by Michael Gissing on Feb 21, 2008 at 8:15:19 am


Betamax dead! No way. I still have a huge collection of location PCM F1 recording from 1984 to 1988. Recently I had to find some Chinese opera and I remembered recording some in Taiwan in 87.

Checked the log, fired up the betamax and PCM decoder, spooled to the timecode and played. Perfect, no dropouts no mould - pristine stereo digital recordings. If only we got this quality and reliability today.

I have always spent extra on good media. It always pays in the long run, unless you don't value your work.



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