Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product
by Tyler Walk
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Jan 23, 2008 at 6:58:29 pm
I have been working on a project that was shot with the HVX200 at 720p. We edited it at it's native 23.98 format and have the final product output to it's native format QT file, still running at 23.98.
We usually send this file to the DVD duplication house and they add the 3:2 pulldown...for a price. The company is trying to cut costs and trying to see if we can do it on our end. It seems like After Effects can add it, but don't want to have to tell them to buy anything new unless necessary.
We're running FCS 2. Is there any way in Compressor or Cinema Tools to ADD the 3:2 pulldown. I can export it at 29.97, but it always does the 2:2:2:4 pulldown (piece of trash).
They don't want to do the DVD encoding on this end, they would rather have the DVD house do that or I would just suggest giving them 24p MpegII files to make 24p DVD's...producers...
Any help on adding 3:2 pulldown and keeping it DVCpro HD would be great.
Re: Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product by Matthew Nelson on Jan 23, 2008 at 7:23:10 pm
Why is the DVD dupe house inserting a 3:2 and why are they charging extra? DVD film titles are encoded at 23.98 because DVD players insert 3:2 on playback. At the house I worked at we ran all our film titles through a Ukon to remove the 3:2.
I suggest you start looking for another DVD authoring and encoding house because either they're ripping you off, they're incompetent or both.
Re: Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product by Paul Escandon on Jan 23, 2008 at 8:17:10 pm
Matthew is right on - you can encode a DVD straight from a 23.98 file. This is an acceptable frame rate for a DVD and the player will add the pulldown on playback.
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Re: Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product by Jeremy Garchow on Jan 23, 2008 at 9:56:33 pm
There's no doubt abot that. Adding 3:2 is silly and they should be able to make a 23.98 file from your 23.98 movie unless they are doing some sort of weird compression where they need the 29.97
BUT if you need to, compressor will add 3:2 to your 720p23.98 file to being you up to 720p60 which is then 30 base.
Re: Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product by Tyler Walk on Jan 24, 2008 at 12:23:46 am
Right. Well I can't figure out a way in compressor to do the 3:2 pulldown. several people have told me it's possible, but they don't say how....so.????
Re: Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product by Matthew Nelson on Jan 24, 2008 at 2:27:23 am
Compressor adds 3:2 automatically. Duplicate the mpeg2 setting that you want to use. Set the Format to NTSC, the frame rate to 29.97 (you'll notice that 23.98 is an option), set the aspect to what you want. For field dominance leave it on auto.
Re: Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product by Jim Dodson on Jan 24, 2008 at 2:32:42 am
Just to clarify...
We have a 23.98 ProRes sequence -- trying to export out a 29.97 ProRes sequence with a proper 3:2 interlaced pulldown -- we're not making a DVD or going to MPEG...
Re: Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product by Jeremy Garchow on Jan 24, 2008 at 3:39:20 am
[Jim Dodson]"We have a 23.98 ProRes sequence -- trying to export out a 29.97 ProRes sequence with a proper 3:2 interlaced pulldown -- we're not making a DVD or going to MPEG... "
You are editing in SD?
Use Fields kit from revision fx, or layoff to tape and recapture or capture machine to machine.
Re: Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product by Matthew Nelson on Jan 24, 2008 at 3:40:21 am
Jim
To get what you want without outputting to tape I had to go into AE. All the QT settings just duplicated 1 frame in 5. So I rendered a test image sequence at 23.98. Took that into AE and in render settings I set the field render to lower and the 3:2 to WWSSW which is the standard cadence and the frame rate to 29.97. Output module to QT ProRes 29.97 the interlace box made no difference. Then rendered. That generated a true interlaced 3:2.
Re: Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product by Jim Dodson on Jan 24, 2008 at 2:26:20 am
Jumping into this thread:
Earlier comments notwithstanding, IS THERE A WAY to build a properly interlaced 3:2 pulldown from a 23.98 file (possibly using compressor) --
We need to do this to deliver an Avid editor something that we can later reference back to (long story, but trust me, we need a 29.97 file with good interlacing)...
Re: Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product by Florian Vera on Nov 26, 2008 at 9:57:20 pm
Hello Jim,
I did some 3:2 pulldown from 23.98fps to 29.97 with After Effects. The result is quite ok. The audio is not out of sync. But all the on screen text are flickering a bit.
I'm planing on trying with compressor 3. But I haven't find any explications with the steps. May be on the Apple support website.
I did a reverse telecine with compressor 3 and the result was perfect. So I'm pretty sure that you can get a really good result on a 3:2 pulldown with compressor.
Re: Shot DVCPro HD 720p. Trying to add 3:2 pulldown to the 23.98 final product by Jeremy Garchow on Nov 27, 2008 at 4:19:54 am
I am here to correct myself. Compressor does in fact add 3:2 pulldown correctly. I think this is a new feature, but I am not sure. I have recently downloaded the latest update on this computer and COmpressor is now @ v3.0.5. In the frame controls tab, you should not check the very bottom option where it says "Set duration to: (so source frames play at 29.97)" as that will be a conform, you want to keep the option "100% of source" checked,. You want to set your frame rate to 29.97 in the video settings button (which is located in the Encoder pane) and then in the frame controls tab set the output fields to 'Bottom first' and deinterlace to 'fast' and rate conversion to 'fast'.
Sorry about the false information earlier, but at least I made up for it ;)
