Re: FCP 6.02 VERY VERY VERY BUGGY by Tom Wolsky on Dec 16, 2007 at 5:25:24 pm
I think you have other problems, possibly hardware issues. Change anything else?
All the best,
Tom
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Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 3.5 HD Editing Workshop"
Re: FCP 6.02 VERY VERY VERY BUGGY by Lumiere on Dec 16, 2007 at 5:46:07 pm
We find that a lot of the issues are inconsistent. Prores HD issues are pretty predictable but slow renders and output to self contained in DVCPRO HD are intermittent.
We output 12 masters per week for Networks so we are really feeling the pain.
Re: FCP 6.02 VERY VERY VERY BUGGY by Tom Wolsky on Dec 16, 2007 at 5:50:09 pm
Are you working on some kind shared network? What OS are you using?
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP6," "Basic Training for FCS2" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 3.5 HD Editing Workshop"
See Jeremy Garchow's article on FCP6 bugs by Tim Wilson on Dec 16, 2007 at 8:53:09 pm
He mentions that it's by no means complete, but be sure to check out Jeremy's experience with the bugs in FCP 6. Definitely something to have in mind as you consider upgrading....
Re: See Jeremy Garchow's article on FCP6 bugs by David Roth Weiss on Dec 16, 2007 at 9:34:46 pm
[Tim Wilson]"He mentions that it's by no means complete, but be sure to check out Jeremy's experience with the bugs in FCP 6. Definitely something to have in mind as you consider upgrading...."
Hold the phone just a minute... Jeremy's published bug report is very slickly produced, very offical looking, and lord knows, Jeremy does know what he's talking about, and so I'm certain he's experiencing all of these issues, but no one should think for a minute that his findings, or those of Lumiere (where's his real name BTW?) are universal to all FCP users with 6.0.2 installed.
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Re: See Jeremy Garchow's article on FCP6 bugs by Jeremy Garchow on Dec 16, 2007 at 11:09:04 pm
[David Roth Weiss]"but no one should think for a minute that his findings, or those of Lumiere (where's his real name BTW?) are universal to all FCP users with 6.0.2 installed."
Re: Which graphics card are you using? by Uli Plank on Dec 17, 2007 at 7:20:31 am
We have X1900s in all machines we are using with Prores and have no rendering issues with these. But recently a collegue of mine who is using ProRes only occasionally reported something similar as you do, and he has the standard NVidia card.
Re: Which graphics card are you using? by Jeremy Garchow on Dec 17, 2007 at 2:57:37 pm
X1900 with the firmware update. I am able to eradicate all artifacts by putting a nonsense filter on (such as desaturate set to 0, or a matte with 0 opacity). This forces FCP to render correctly.
Re: See Jeremy Garchow's article on FCP6 bugs by Jeremy Garchow on Dec 17, 2007 at 2:55:54 pm
Hey Warren. That's awesome! Glad to know that someone has it sorted out.
The article was written for FCP 6.0.1, OS 10.4.10 and QT 7.2
Some of the problems were fixed in FCP 6.0.2 (like the render file bug), but let me ask you this.
Interlaced clips work in progressive timelines for you without changing the field dominance of the actual clip? Do 24p clips in 29.97 timelines render out as anything but 2:2:2:4 pulldown? And you can get virtual clusters to work on multi-pass VBR material? If you have the answers to these questions, please let me know. I will be happy to update the article if you can tell me how you have managed to get it all up and running.
Re: See Jeremy Garchow's article on FCP6 bugs by Warren Eig on Dec 17, 2007 at 4:22:00 pm
[Jeremy Garchow]"Interlaced clips work in progressive timelines for you without changing the field dominance of the actual clip? Do 24p clips in 29.97 timelines render out as anything but 2:2:2:4 pulldown? And you can get virtual clusters to work on multi-pass VBR material? If you have the answers to these questions, please let me know. I will be happy to update the article if you can tell me how you have managed to get it all up and running.
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Jeremy,
I just did a project that was NTSC 23.98. It wasn't 24p Advanced, which is what you are having the problem with? I created all titles and graphics in After Effects and they imported fine in the timeline. Could this be the way AE creates the 29.97 files? The footage was digitized at ADS in Los Angeles and brought to me on a Hard Drive. I believe they use the Kona card as I do.
As for Compressor and Multi Cluster. I have the setting set to 4, not 8 I believe and do not have any problems so far. I have to clarify, that this is a production machine only. There is no MS Office installed or any other plugins or software other than Adobe Creative Suite and FCS 2.
Re: See Jeremy Garchow's article on FCP6 bugs by Jeremy Garchow on Dec 17, 2007 at 4:29:39 pm
[Warren Eig]"I just did a project that was NTSC 23.98. It wasn't 24p Advanced, which is what you are having the problem with?"
No. I am talking about Multiformat timelines. Take your 23.98 clip and put it in a 29.97 timeline and you will see the pulldown pattern rendered in will be 2224 and not 3:2.
Also, if you have a progressive timeline, and you add an interlaced clip, you will see that it's soft until you change the field dominance of the actual interlaced clip to 'none', even though the clip should be 'lower' as it's a normal interlaced clip.
[Warren Eig]"As for Compressor and Multi Cluster. I have the setting set to 4, not 8 I believe and do not have any problems so far."
That's what mine is set up to, but on VBR and multi-pass codecs, it grinds the 8 core to a snails pace. If I turn off the Virtual Cluster, everything speeds up, but it only using 200-400% of the processor speed instead of 600-700% when I have a virtual cluster running. It really depends on what I am compressing as to whether or not I turn the virtual clustering on or keep it off.
Re: FCP 6.02 VERY VERY VERY BUGGY by Melle01 on Dec 17, 2007 at 8:17:31 pm
Just curious have you run into any bugs that are effecting the autosave....It seems dispite my settings my projects are not consistantly autosaving...No big deal just frustraiting when i crash and i haven't saved....
Re: FCP 6.02 VERY VERY VERY BUGGY by walter biscardi on Dec 18, 2007 at 1:55:11 am
[Melle01]"Just curious have you run into any bugs that are effecting the autosave...."
Funny, AutoSave is one feature I have never used in FCP. It's the first thing I turn off when I re-set my Prefs. I always have my left hand near the Apple and S keys so I just Save pretty much every couple of edits.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.
Re: FCP 6.02 VERY VERY VERY BUGGY by Josh Hatter on Dec 18, 2007 at 8:03:43 pm
The DVCPro HD frame size issue has not occurred for us since the upgrade in 18 edit suites.
We also have not had a clip export without timecode since the upgrade.
Also, the loss of render files has not reared its ugly head.
That having been said, my editors say things seem a little bit slower now. Little things, like the pinwheel of death is around longer when switching between Finder and FCP. Opening projects takes longer. Its sort of an intangible issue, defining time in moments, so I dont know how to qualify this.
Also, media managed projects all seem to have suffixes on their media, which is good for us and our backup system that was having issues with appledouble files.
Re: FCP 6.02 VERY VERY VERY BUGGY by Chad Greene on Jan 23, 2008 at 6:46:22 pm
I am having some of these issues as well. The worst is the slow response times. Currently I am working on a 2 hour documentary consisting of three projects. Reel A, Reel B, and a Media project (I had to break it apart a few years ago because of its size). I am also working completely off shared storage. I am connected, via Fiber, to an Avid Unity LS.
Slowness Yesterday it took 8 minutes to open all three projects, and switching from the finder to FCP took 1min 20sec. The day before my switch time was 55sec. When I watch the Activity Monitor, I can see FCP dump a load of Ram when I leave, and when I switch back it slowly reloads the ram before letting me work.
Renders When I leave FCP and come back, I am still loosing renders like I was in 6.0.1
These are my most serious issues, but I am getting worried about the HD ProRes HQ stuff. I have played around with it, and am getting ready to Online the doc using HD ProRes HQ, but am wondering if this is workable or not. I have a mix of formats. Are there things I should be watching for so this goes smoothly?
Chad Greene Mahoney Media Group Minneapolis, Minnesota 2x3GHz Quad-Core, 4GB Ram, OS 10.4 FCP 6, Kona-LH
Re: FCP 6.02 VERY VERY VERY BUGGY by Josh Hatter on Jan 23, 2008 at 6:56:31 pm
kind of a shot in the dark, but its something we FINALLY figured out this week on one of our machines.
Machine was really bogging down tabbing between FCP and Finder. Certain projects using Boris would bomb out FCP the minute the project opened, ONLY if the title clip was VISIBLE in the timeline. if it was off the page so to speak, no prob. then you move down the timeline, that title shows up (not even in playout, just on the timeline on the screen) and poof the app quits.
We were running Boris Continuum Complete 4.1 on FCP 6.0.2 because on the boris site it says you can. I finally called them and found out thats a typo and we had to upgrade (they call it a cross grade) to FCPlug 5.
In short, BCC 4.1 does not work with FCP 6.0.1. If you are trying to use this that could very well be your problem. Its an easy uninstall but i threw away the piece of paper i wrote down the components on.
can you specify by Rene Hazekamp on Dec 16, 2007 at 11:20:30 pm
can you specify the configurations you're using,
I had my share of bugs in version 6.0.0 but after 6.01
I had no problems with final cut ( color is a different story, butyoucan get it to work)
I just finished five 50 minute programs (prorez hq , SD though)
Re: FCP 6.02 VERY VERY VERY BUGGY by walter biscardi on Dec 17, 2007 at 12:36:15 am
[Lumiere]"(snapping snaps off on its own"
This happens when you Option Select an audio or video track. This is the only new "bug" I've noticed with FCP 6.0.2, albeit an INCREDIBLY annoying one.
I submitted a Feedback form request to Apple on this one. Other than that, really haven't noticed anything unusual on the two systems running 6.0.2.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.
