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8 cores shutting down
by Bob Buruchian on Nov 13, 2007 at 10:29:43 pm

We have two 8 cores that power completely down when trying to tackle a large render in FCP 6. It's like someone pulled the plug

Has anyone else had this happen?

Bob

Playimage Inc. / FCP 6.1 HD

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by jeffmcohen on Nov 13, 2007 at 10:38:33 pm

I just posted a similar problem. Have not had a response yet. I also have a 8 core that is shutting down and then restarting all on its own, while attempting a long render. Every single time I set a long render, it unexpectedly quits.

Jeff Cohen, Pres.
The Video Design Studio

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by CharlieX on Nov 13, 2007 at 10:46:02 pm

haven't had any problems with mine..... but I would suggest downloading Temperature Monitor and keep it running the background - maybe something's overheating and it's powering down?

Are you one conditioned power?



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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by jeffmcohen on Nov 13, 2007 at 10:56:31 pm

I am not conditioned power.

I have tried this project on another 8 core computer and still Final Cut will quit.
I tried another 8 core it is still quit.
The only thing common in this scenario is the media that I am using, if that helps.
How do know if a clip is corrupt in Final Cut?

Jeff Cohen, Pres.
The Video Design Studio

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by Borjis on Nov 13, 2007 at 11:01:32 pm


if your not on conditioned power are you at least on an independant circuit on the 8 core?

Those things suck down some serious power and rendering would certainly test the limits of that.

what are you rendering?

is the monitor going to sleep first?




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by JeremyG on Nov 13, 2007 at 11:54:33 pm





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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by JeremyG on Nov 13, 2007 at 11:55:17 pm

Holy crap, you are saying the computer turns off?

Do you have any settings in your energy saver prefs that would turn your computer off overnight? Be sure to click the "Schedule..." button.


Jeremy



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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by jeffmcohen on Nov 14, 2007 at 3:04:33 pm

Sleep is turned off. I did a reset for the power and the restarts have quit. Final Cut still quits upon long renders though.

Jeff Cohen, Pres.
The Video Design Studio

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by JeremyG on Nov 14, 2007 at 3:33:41 pm

[jeffmcohen] "Final Cut still quits upon long renders though. "

Does it quit in the same place every time? Any chance that it quits when it gets to a still frame that's CMYK instead of RGB, or that is particularly huge in size (over 25 MBs or so?)

Jeremy

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by jeffmcohen on Nov 14, 2007 at 6:12:05 pm

Quits in all different places. Just long renders.

Jeff Cohen, Pres.
The Video Design Studio

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by jeffmcohen on Nov 14, 2007 at 2:30:31 pm

I am on a separate circuit with my other computer which is a G4 dual. I am rendering DVC Pro HD 720p, HDV and SD all on a SD timeline.



Jeff Cohen, Pres.
The Video Design Studio

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by GranitW on Nov 14, 2007 at 2:11:03 am

I have a few ideas that might help:

1. Delete Preferences, currupted preferences can crash FCP or even crash Mac OS X(not sure about it shutting down)

2. Make sure your computer is has enough breathing room. If it is in a room that is small or gets hot this can over heat the computer.

3. Use a free widget or app like iStat to make sure none of the components are over heating, this happened to me a couple times.

4. Go to an Apple store, your motherboard and/or power supply might not be functioning right. My Mac Pro was shutting down by itself; I found out that my Power Supply was faulted(Although I doubt this is the problem for you).

5. Another option is to use the project manager to create a new copied project of this. This can help if your project file is currupted.

Hope you fix the problem, good luck!!

Video Specialist
Apple Developer
Owner of GranitWorks

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by jeffmcohen on Nov 14, 2007 at 2:13:01 pm

Thanks for the response.

My computer has plenty of breathing room although I have not tested to see if it is overheating. I will do that today. When you say "use the project manager to create a new copied project", do you mean use the media manager? I have made a copy using media manager and still the same problem.

Today when I came in to my studio, Final Cut had quit again. Shocker. This time upon reopening my project, it could not connect to a file so I reconnected to it. Things seem to be going crazy now. I have tried removing the media drives and system drive and installing on another 8 core with the exact same configuration, and it still crashed upon rendering long renders.

Jeff Cohen, Pres.
The Video Design Studio

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by jeffmcohen on Nov 14, 2007 at 2:53:18 pm

I have installed istat and I am monitoring it while rendering. What is a safe temperature to be looking for?

Jeff Cohen, Pres.
The Video Design Studio

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by Bob Buruchian on Nov 14, 2007 at 3:34:18 pm

Wow, I had a bad feeling when I started thread this was a bigger problem than our two 8 cores. Is it only 8 cores, I realize mac books have had this problem but do the 4 core Mac pros have this problem too?

We are on conditioned power, we've gone straight into the wall, it doesn't seem to be tempeture related, it happens first thing in the morning. It is certainly render related with FCP 6. We have another 8 core encoding with compressor and it never shuts down with heavy encoding. If it's FCP 6 related why in the world is the entire computer shutting down?

Playimage Inc. / FCP 6.1 HD

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by JeremyG on Nov 14, 2007 at 3:40:39 pm

Try resetting the power Management Unit (although it's not called the Power Management Unit in MacPros, I can't remember what it's called, something like the SMC) and see if it cures it like Jeff did.

Jeremy



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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by Bob Buruchian on Nov 14, 2007 at 3:55:21 pm

Power management? SMC? We certainly have the sleep turned off and all energy saver things turned to never

Thanks for the response but I'm not where to find this

Bob

Playimage Inc. / FCP 6.1 HD

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by JeremyG on Nov 14, 2007 at 4:04:00 pm

Let me dig it up for you. It's a tiny button on the inside of the Mac on the motherboard.

I'll get it, stand by.


Jeremy



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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by JeremyG on Nov 14, 2007 at 4:05:54 pm

Looky here, it was the SMC (System Management Controller)

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304123


Jeremy



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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by GranitW on Nov 14, 2007 at 5:00:34 pm

A Mac Pro should only get up to about 70c or 160F, any higher there might be a problem. I do know the case can handle quite a lot of heat, the powermacs got up to 180F-190F. The new intels though are much cooler than the PPCs, and use less electricity.

If you need to you, you can always reset the SMC(another option I forgot about): http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304123

This normally does fix or help much, but in your case it might. Every time I have a computer that shuts down like this, Apple always says I need new parts.

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by Bob Buruchian on Nov 14, 2007 at 5:28:54 pm

Great info, we also just used the smooth cam plug in which seems to be a heavy render but I believe it's actually coming from Motion not like a heavy FCP render which causes the shut down.

Thanks for all the great feeback! If any or all of it works we'll certainly post ASAP.

Bob


Playimage Inc. / FCP 6.1 HD

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Re: 8 cores shutting down
by Santiago Gutierrez on Nov 14, 2007 at 7:39:18 pm

Do you have an 1900XT installed in the Mac Pro? I've read a lot of reports of these cards overheating when the airway to the card gets clogged in some Mac Pro's. I've got an 8 core here with an 1900XT card in it and it's never had a problem though. Maybe there's a link.
Santi

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