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60i look in 24P timeline
by joey848 on Sep 11, 2007 at 2:07:58 pm

My client has a scene where the cameraperson accidentally switches to 1080i from 720P (the rest of the video). When the 1080i footage is dropped into the 24P timeline in FCP it gets converted to 24P. Is there any way to maintain the 29.97 video look?



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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by JeremyG on Sep 11, 2007 at 2:17:44 pm

SO you are working @ 720p23.98 and you have a few shots of 1080i? Is that what you are saying?

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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by joey848 on Sep 11, 2007 at 2:38:31 pm

Yes.

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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by walter biscardi on Sep 11, 2007 at 2:40:04 pm

Nope. you can't make 24 p look like 60i.

it works the other way around.

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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by joey848 on Sep 11, 2007 at 2:49:00 pm

The 60i footage was shot in 60i. I just want to preserve its look when intercut with the 24P. I know for the dvd release i could possibly compress the two sequences separately and cut them back together in DVDSP but that is clunky and not the way I want to go. Does anyone know of a way to trick FCP into not converting it to 24P?

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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by JeremyG on Sep 11, 2007 at 2:55:04 pm

Check out fields kit.

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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by JeremyG on Sep 11, 2007 at 3:16:52 pm

[JeremyG] "Check out fields kit. "


www.revisionfx.com



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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by Tom Brooks on Sep 11, 2007 at 3:52:55 pm

If I understand correctly, you need to output the finished 720p project with pulldown added and then reingest it to a 59.94 project (you could do 720p or 1080i). You can bring the 1080i into that without losing motion. Do you have a VTR that you can go out to and back in?

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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by mattdawgpro on Sep 11, 2007 at 4:00:57 pm

I know in FCP6 that if you're working in DVCPRO HD and you put your 720P24 footage in a 720P60 timeline it automatically adds pulldown without a need to render. You could do this then add the 1080i footage and scale it down, then at least it would be running at the correct frame rate instead of trying to convert to 24. It won't make your 720P footage look any different because it always plays back at 60 anyway when on a TV. I don't know if this works with HDV but give it a try.

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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by joey848 on Sep 11, 2007 at 8:25:56 pm

That's what i had begun to consider the best route. I'll give it a shot. Thanks.



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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by Sean ONeil on Sep 12, 2007 at 2:34:15 am

[mattdawgpro] "now in FCP6 that if you're working in DVCPRO HD and you put your 720P24 footage in a 720P60 timeline it automatically adds pulldown without a need to render. You could do this then add the 1080i footage and scale it down, then at least it would be running at the correct frame rate instead of trying to convert to 24. It won't make your 720P footage look any different because it always plays back at 60 anyway when on a TV. I don't know if this works with HDV but give it a try."

Yeah but it will still have the 24fps look, not the 30fps look that he wants.

I've seen demos of stuff that can do this. Generally used for converting stuff to 60fps. It literally creates frames that didn't exist. It analyzes frame 1 and 2, and uses the difference to create a new "frame 1.5".

Most of the stuff I've seen are for consumer playback devices. I don't know of any professional tools for converting files with this process. Maybe a Teranex can do this (never tried going 24->30 before).

Jeremy,

I just checked out Fieldskit. I don't think that will convert 24fps to a true 30fps, but I'm really happy you posted that link. It looks like a very useful tool for repairing video with broken cadence.


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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by JeremyG on Sep 12, 2007 at 2:41:29 am

Fields Kit is capable of this, especially in AE.

Jeremy

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Re: 60i look in 24P timeline
by Sean ONeil on Sep 12, 2007 at 2:54:15 am

Thanks for the info. I'm buying it tomorrow. Can't believe I've never heard of it.

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