| Blu-Ray on DVD-5 (DVD-R) with FCP success
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by Bret Williams on Oct 14, 2010 at 3:40:10 pm |
I knew FCP could create a Blu-Ray disc with the share command in FCP, but I had ignored it since I didn't have a Blu-Ray burner.
Instead, I had gone the route of burning Blu-Ray on DVD-R with Toast 10, which is a completely broken function and only works sporadically BTW. (Do not buy Toast 10. They've been working for 2 years to fix a problem they advertise as a feature.)
Anyway, I was going to try another route, creating the file in Compressor, and then burning in Toast blah blah. But when I opened compressor, I decided to choose the create blu-ray disc option and see what happens. Low and behold, it burned a Blu-Ray AVCHD disc right onto a standard DVD-R. You can get a maximum of 35 minutes.
It works in my Sony Blu-Ray player just fine. You can't create much of a menu system or anything like that. Toast is much better at that, but since it doesn't work consistently...
So if everyone already knew this, my bad. But I have seen numerous posts by fairly illustrious authors here saying there is no blu-ray solution on the mac with FCP. Well, there certainly is. And it's pretty much a one step process. Drop file in Compressor (or share within FCP), choose burn blu-ray disc) option and put a DVD-R in your superdrive.
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by Steve Eisen on Oct 14, 2010 at 4:04:45 pm |
[Bret Williams] "So if everyone already knew this, my bad"
Old news. I have created avchd on DVD-R with toast 9 and 10 with success. I would recommend buying it.
I've invested in a Blu-Ray burner and Toast 9 and 10 have been flawless.
Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
Vice President
Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group
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by Bret Williams on Oct 14, 2010 at 4:35:13 pm |
I'm talking about burning Blu-Ray onto a standard DVD-R with the Mac Pro DVD burner. No Blu-Ray anything involved. It's a huge plus if you don't want to purchase a blu-ray burner and blu-ray discs. Especially if your productions are under 35 minutes.
I'm sure Toast works fine for creating actual Blu-Ray on Blu-Ray discs. But there is a pretty well documented bug that rears it's head when creating the hybrid discs I'm speaking of. Sometimes short movies will compress, but usually they kick out at some point with an error that there is a problem with the source media. Toast will work on these hybrid discs if you choose mpeg-2 as the compressor instead of mp4 AVCHD, but they look terrible.
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by Steve Eisen on Oct 14, 2010 at 5:07:00 pm |
[Bret Williams] "I'm talking about burning Blu-Ray onto a standard DVD-R with the Mac Pro DVD burner"
That's what I'm talking about too. Toast has worked for me.
Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
Vice President
Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group
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by Bret Williams on Oct 14, 2010 at 5:26:44 pm |
Oh, you said you had bought a blu-ray burner so I'm confused as to what that is about.
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by Bret Williams on Oct 14, 2010 at 4:38:00 pm |
Sorry Steve, I guess I should've also mentioned in my post, don't buy Toast 10 for the sole function of creating these hybrid discs. The rest of Toast 10 is great.
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by Brian Pitt on Oct 14, 2010 at 5:14:06 pm |
I didn't know this, Bret. Thanks for sharing. I'm going to try this out today.
Brian
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by Brian Pitt on Oct 14, 2010 at 5:26:33 pm |
Can you give step by step instructions? Maybe this is option is only available with the newest version of compressor...I just don't see any bluray options. I have version 3.0.5
Brian
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by Bret Williams on Oct 14, 2010 at 5:36:07 pm |
Yes. Just latest compressor and FCP.
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by Bret Williams on Oct 15, 2010 at 1:09:26 am |
I'll be happy to tell you anything you'd like to know. After all, that's what this forum is for. It is not complex enough to warrant buying a book. Nobody wanted to fill me in so I googled and did plenty of my own tests with TOAST and FCP and Compressor.
First, you'll need Compressor 3.5 to do it with that. Or Toast 9 or 10 with the HD option. As for Toast, you might google... toast 10 "could not record the disc because there is a problem with the source material" and see the battle some are fighting.
If you have Toast and Compressor 3.5 then you can use the more versatile menus in Toast, and do the compression in Compressor.
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by Chris Borjis on Oct 15, 2010 at 4:45:59 pm |
interesting and your not having any stuttering on high bit rate playback then?
I would have that DVD-R media would choke if you had a bitrate spike around 35mbps.
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by Bret Williams on Oct 16, 2010 at 3:05:24 am |
The default settings are nowhere near that. 15 average, 16 maximum. That's the default that both compressor and toast use for this this type of avchd DVD. The images I'm getting are pristine. I'm not seeing artifacts or breakup anywhere. Even on 1080i material. Zero hiccups on a Vizio blu-ray player or a Sony blu-ray player.
For fun, I burned one on a CD-R. The player didn't recognize it as a blu-ray, just a data disc. But I dug into the file structure and played back a stream and THAT stalled and hiccuped almost instantly.
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by Bob Pierce on Oct 16, 2010 at 12:57:01 pm |
If I'm not mistaken, what you're doing basically is the same as the blu ray Share function in Final Cut. It's a bit confusing since these aren't really blu ray disks, though they are HD and play on most blu ray players (some don't accept the format). Due to the lower datarate the quality is a bit below blu ray but they still look pretty darn good.
Bob
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