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Going to offline after having captured and worked on line
by Miriam Altounji on Oct 24, 2009 at 3:26:35 pm

Hi everyone,

I'm currently the editor on a first documentary. We shot on Hdv 1080i60, and because of my inexperience, we captured all the footage in FCP online.

Now, 2 years later - still shooting and adding, the project is becoming too large, rendering times are extremely slow, and something as simple as adding text freezes the entire project.

How can I go to offline now? Would I need to recapture all the footage offline? - Is it possible without loosing my edits?

I thought about Media Managing the project - making all the media offline, and then recapturing low res...but I'm afraid to try something that could screw everything up! Any suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,
Miriam



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Re: Going to offline after having captured and worked on line
by Ernie Santella on Oct 24, 2009 at 4:16:33 pm

It sounds like something is wrong that you are having freezing issues. What kind of computer? How fast/large is your RAID? Is your RAID over 3/4 full? That could cause the issues you've mentioned.

Personally, with drives so cheap, I would never work in Low-rez. You could consider breaking your project into smaller segments. Or, Export parts that are nearly complete and re-import them as standalone segments. Those will playback much easier. (But, saving the original timelines if you need to go back and re-edit.)

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Re: Going to offline after having captured and worked on line
by Miriam Altounji on Oct 24, 2009 at 10:18:26 pm

I am working on an imac, and have 4 gigs of RAM.

When you write: "Export parts that are nearly complete and re-import them as standalone segments",Do you think color correction and text should be applied after these segments are exported, in a new project file?

I feel like these problems come from the fact that the project is becoming too large, even though I have different sequences for every scene. Could the number of sequences I have in the project be the cause of the slow render times?

I thought it was just because HD is too much for the computer, don't most people work offline first?

Thanks,
Miriam

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Re: Going to offline after having captured and worked on line
by David Roth Weiss on Oct 24, 2009 at 10:31:58 pm

[Miriam Altounji] "don't most people work offline first? "

They did when hard drives storage was $1000 per gigabyte - it's 7-cents now.
They did when computer processors were 120mhz - they are now 3ghz with up to 8 multithreaded cores.
They do when they're working with 2K, 4K, or uncompressed HD.

However, no one today offlines when editing DV or HDV. Offlining is designed to increase efficiency, bit offlining DV or HDV is not in the least bit an efficient use of either time or resources.

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Re: Going to offline after having captured and worked on line
by Ernie Santella on Oct 24, 2009 at 10:39:30 pm

I think the biggest problem is your working on a huge project on an iMac, if it's not fast enough, that could be the trouble.

It sounds like you have already broken the entire project into smaller sequences. But, if you are still having slow renders, it's got to be processing power that's killing you.

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Re: Going to offline after having captured and worked on line
by walter biscardi on Oct 24, 2009 at 10:41:15 pm

[Miriam Altounji] "Now, 2 years later - still shooting and adding, the project is becoming too large, rendering times are extremely slow, and something as simple as adding text freezes the entire project.
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What you really need is project management and a very fast hard drive RAID. A large project such as yours should have been broken up into multiple smaller projects to help manage the performance of your machine.

Shane Ross' Getting Organized in Final Cut Pro is a DVD available here on the Cow and he has some outstanding strategies for working on project such as yours. In fact we're following one of his strategies right now on a documentary with over 200 hours of material shot over 4 years in Africa. I can't recommend that enough. This project is being cut concurrently on a new Mac Pro and an older iMac with great performance speeds on both.

Now in terms of "starting over" with an offline codec, well HDV is so small nothing is really any smaller. You could capture in DV, but that's only a marginal savings in hard drive space. I definitely would NOT take anything offline at this point.

One idea you could try is to create a Duplicate Project and simply delete any Sequences and media you don't need in that new Project. Keep all the stuff in an older project. Sequences especially slow down the performance of a project. The more Sequences, the slower the project.





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