Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display?

	Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display? by William Carr on Sep 14, 2009 at 7:24:44 pm Searching through posts it seems the preferred monitor brand for working the interface (not playback/correction) is Dell. Is that preference due to overall price advantage or quality advantage? So other than price, why not the latest Apple display? Glossy screen is hard on the eyes, short cabling, reliability, are these main issues? Is there any advantage at all to an Apple display? Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display? by walter biscardi on Sep 14, 2009 at 7:32:54 pm [William Carr] "Is there any advantage at all to an Apple display? " It has the absolute sharpest display I've seen of any monitor so that makes it very easy on the eyes. It's definitely THE best monitor I've seen, but it's the price that holds most of us back. The Dells are just very very good and priced so much lower than the Apple that they make better business sense for most of us. I would rather spend that extra money towards something like the FSI monitors for playback or more storage, etc.... Walter Biscardi, Jr. Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author. Credits include multiple Emmy, Telly, Aurora and Peabody Awards. Owner, Biscardi Creative Media featuring HD Post Biscardi Creative Media Creative Cow Forum Host: Apple Final Cut Pro, Apple Motion, Apple Color, AJA Kona, Business & Marketing, Maxx Digital. Read my Blog! Twitter! Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display? by Shane Ross on Sep 14, 2009 at 7:38:41 pm They are cheaper, clearer, NOT glossy, connect via regular DVI, not that new Apple-only proprietary monitor connection (No adapters needed when you replace the stock card with a better one). And they are black, not silver. That is better for the edit bay. Shane GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it. Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display? by Alan Okey on Sep 14, 2009 at 7:35:23 pm [William Carr] " Is there any advantage at all to an Apple display? " Some clients might think they look sexier. They're made of easily recycled materials (aluminum, glass). They are mercury and arsenic free. Apart from that? No, no real reason to buy an Apple display as a GUI monitor for editing unless you think they are attractive enough to pay the price premium. It's a pretty hard sell to convince me that a single Apple LED display with a 3' cable, a single signal input and an exotic (read: annoyingly uncommon and inflexible) connector type is worth the price of two 23" 1920x1080 Dell displays. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display? by William Carr on Sep 14, 2009 at 9:19:13 pm Thanks all for great responses. To complicate matters, my Apple biz guy told me just now their 30-inch does NOT have a glossy screen and can use the standard DVI port to avoid the short-cable problem. It's 1,800 bucks (less Applecare), that's the price of 2 good quality 24-inch monitors from other mfgrs. Now giving a single 30-inch setup some thought, vs. 2x 24-inch monitors. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display? by Bob Zelin on Sep 14, 2009 at 11:30:55 pm I just put in two HP 3065 30" LCD displays on two new FCP systems. The HP's are several hundred dollars less than Apple. The quality is fantastic. They give you THREE DVI-D input ports, and removable cables. And it's HP - so if the monitor fails, they say "oh, bring it into the shopping mall, where a genius will look at it". HP treats their customers very well. But the bottom line is this (besides cost) - the # 1 thing that fails on anything is the cable, and on all other monitors (except Appple), you can disconnect your bad cable, and plug in a new cable. NOT WITH APPLE - bad DVI cable on your Cinema display after 1 year - oh well, buy a new one (as opposed to a Dell or HP, or other brand) - buy a new DVI cable, and you are done. Bob Zelin Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display? by Rafael Amador on Sep 15, 2009 at 2:16:35 am Hi Bob, Any thoughts on the "HP LP2475w"? I was about to order two DELL, but I've read of this HP model. They may be easier to get here than the DELL. Cheers, rafael www.nagavideo.com Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display? by Philip Owens on Sep 15, 2009 at 12:21:57 am Don't do it - there's no advantage to one big monitor, no matter how big, and huge advantages to two - even if they're much smaller. What you want is your editing interface entirely filling one monitor, and the browser on another. It's a long-established monitoring solution for a reason - it works very well. (A third can also be useful, for a permanent fullframe display, but that's usually best done as an external monitor anyway). Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display? by Jeff Markgraf on Sep 16, 2009 at 2:28:33 am Well, yes and no...(warning - long post) The two monitor setup has a long history, but I would suggest that has more to do with the limited size and resolution of older video cards and monitors. Back when a 21" computer monitor was a >$1000 proposition, and 800x600 was considered high resolution, you made do with 2 15" or 17" monitors on that Avid. And you still felt like you were always running out of room. Not to mention the heat from 2 of the really big CRT monitors was a huge problem in a bay already overstuffed with tape deck, BOB, "Pizza box" effects unit, TBC, 19" or 21" broadcast pix monitor -- plus a nervous client or two. I've been editing a few years (OK- more than a few years) and I just started using a single 30" Apple display. The 24" HD pix monitor is directly above and a few feet "behind" the edit monitor. No more cluttered desk. No more swiveling the head between 3 different monitors. Little or no head movement needed to switch from one to the other - just lift the eyes. This layout has done a lot to mitigate neck & back tension during long edit sessions. And the pen & tablet nipped an incipient carpal tunnel issue in the bud. (For the Old Folks: I first worked with this kind of layout back in a linear bay with the Axial 20/20 with the source video integrated into the EDL display. It was such a great setup, I couldn't imagine why no one had done it before.) Granted, I do mostly promo editing/producing, so my bin & viewer requirements are certainly simpler than a documentary or long-form editor. But I find I have no problem getting to my footage quickly. Using the pen in "mouse" mode lets me get around the huge screen easily. So while I'd never tell anyone it's wrong to use a traditional 2 monitors + pix monitor setup, I also wouldn't dismiss a single monitor setup out of hand. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display? by David Roth Weiss on Sep 15, 2009 at 6:05:43 am [Alan Okey] "t's a pretty hard sell to convince me that a single Apple LED display with a 3' cable, a single signal input and an exotic (read: annoyingly uncommon and inflexible) connector type is worth the price of two 23" 1920x1080 Dell displays. " Alan, $1800 would get you three 24" Dell monitors. The DELL ULTRASHARP 2408WFP monitors most of us use are just $549.00. David Roth Weiss Director/Editor David Weiss Productions, Inc. Los Angeles POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™ A forum host of Creative COW's Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Are ANY pro editors using Apple Display? by Alan Okey on Sep 15, 2009 at 6:51:54 am [David Roth Weiss] "$1800 would get you three 24" Dell monitors." David, I was referring to the Apple LED display, not the 30". I was also referring to a cheaper Dell display, but the point still stands. For video editing, there's little incentive to go with an Apple display. Prepress might be a different story. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index