capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Neil Sadwelkar on Jul 8, 2009 at 5:05:04 am I think you can import the movie straight to FCP. However, it might be a better idea to convert them to HD Apple ProResHQ first. You can do this in the background with Compressor. Working ProResHQ will preserve the original quality and make editing easier for the system. ----------------------------------- Neil Sadwelkar neilsadwelkar.blogspot.com FCP Editor, Edit systems consultant Mumbai India Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Jeremy Garchow on Jul 8, 2009 at 1:58:52 pm Regular ProRes will work fine for this. HQ will do nothing for you but take up more disk space from the H264 files the 5D creates. Jeremy Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Dave LaRonde on Jul 8, 2009 at 8:33:52 pm There's another thing to keep in mind, too: this camera with does NOT shoot at 29.97, which is the frame rate you need. It shoots at 30fps, which is just plain wrong. Even that 30p footage you have is really 29.97. So you also have to conform it to 29.97, which means it will run a tiny bit slow Let's see... the Canon 5D Mark II has all its controls arranged for still photography, not motion photography, making it cumbersome to work with... the Canon 5D Mark II shoots at a frame rate that NOBODY can use easily... the Canon 5D Mark II records video in a codec which FCP can't use, and which can't be converted easily... boy, that Canon 5D Mark II is one heck of a camera for video use, you bet. Dave LaRonde Sr. Promotion Producer KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Jeremy Garchow on Jul 8, 2009 at 8:38:21 pm Yeah, but have you seen footage from it, Dave? Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Dave LaRonde on Jul 8, 2009 at 8:59:50 pm [Jeremy Garchow] "...have you seen footage from it, Dave?" I have not, nor do I have any intentions of doing so, either. I'm perfectly willing to wait for Canon to get its stinkin' act together: fix the frame rate issue, put it in an enclosure where the controls and eyepiece make sense for motion photography, and come up with a technique for transferring and transcoding the files. But since I mistrust this camera maker's motives, I expect Canon will draw out the process, spreading such improvements out over many models, which will eagerly be snapped up by people who absolutely must have the latest thing while fattening Canon's wallet. In short, I'll wait for the complete package, which may mean I'd wait for some time. But in the meantime, Pansasonic makes some fine cameras that are a heck of a lot easier to use. Dave LaRonde Sr. Promotion Producer KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Jeremy Garchow on Jul 8, 2009 at 9:05:14 pm [Dave LaRonde] "Pansasonic makes some fine cameras that are a heck of a lot easier to use. " Totally agreed. What Canon needs to do is make a real video camera out of the 5D. The moving pictures it takes (despite the quirks of post) are quite nice. Don't knock it till you try it (or see it). It's not much different than logging and transferring a bunch of AVC-I material. Jeremy Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Dave LaRonde on Jul 8, 2009 at 9:20:54 pm I suspect we're thinking pretty much the same thing. If Canon had simply chosen to do it right the first time, it easily could have given fits to Panasonic, Sony and other camera makers, but instead it chose to include HD video with a still camera almost as an afterthought. Dave LaRonde Sr. Promotion Producer KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Neil Sadwelkar on Jul 9, 2009 at 4:52:34 am Canon movies will import directly into FCP. But how they will play back in an HDV or DVCProHD timeline will depend on the system you have. i recommended Compressor to batch convert Canon movie into Apple ProRes Quicktimes to make them easy to play back. But if your Canon movies work fine directly in FCP. just go with it. You will probably capture HDV as HDV or Apple Intermediate codec. And you'll capture DVCProHD as DVCProHD from within FCP. You'll probably do both over Firewire, I guess. Unless the DVCProHD is P2. And Apple ProRes is a Quicktime codec, a type of Quicktime, not an independent movie format like Quicktime or AVI. ProRes was made to enable near-uncompressed-like quality at very low data rates. You can actually make a broadcast master from Apple ProRes. ProRes works on PC and Mac. ----------------------------------- Neil Sadwelkar neilsadwelkar.blogspot.com FCP Editor, Edit systems consultant Mumbai India Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Jeremy Garchow on Jul 9, 2009 at 11:44:08 am [Julie Hill] "Compressor always quits if I try to do too many clips at once." Yes I find this to. The Solution? Make a droplet from your Compressor settings. Then from your 5D footage drag about 30 files at a time (no more than 30) and then hit submit and wait until you see it pop up in the Batch Monitor. Once it gets going, start the next 30, and wait for this one to pop up and it should say "waiting". Once it says that, start the next batch of 30 and so on. It's a bit of baby sitting, but I find it to be reliable. Jeremy Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Neil Sadwelkar on Jul 9, 2009 at 5:43:09 am Yes. Compressor will preserve timecode. But do the Canon 5D MkII files have time code? I would have imagined it makes .mov all starting at 00.00.00.00. ----------------------------------- Neil Sadwelkar neilsadwelkar.blogspot.com FCP Editor, Edit systems consultant Mumbai India Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Jeremy Garchow on Jul 9, 2009 at 11:44:29 am [Neil Sadwelkar] "But do the Canon 5D MkII files have time code?" No. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Jeremy Garchow on Jul 9, 2009 at 10:19:29 pm I would assume since the h264 file is probably RGB, the gamma is already limited. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Jeremy Garchow on Sep 12, 2009 at 4:01:17 pm Why not bring the transcoded ProRes files into FCP and Modify > Timecode? Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Mark Richards on Sep 12, 2009 at 4:45:06 pm Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the suggestion. Modifying timecode is possible in both Media Composer and FCP, but it only changes the timecode of that media file within that application. What it doesn't do is embed a source name and timecode within the original file and, therefore, you can't do an on-line auto-conform. I have imported a ProRes file into FCP and modified the timecode and created an EDL for the sequence. I have attached a screen grab to show the warning dialogue you get from FCP when creating the EDL and a screen grab from EDL Manager showing that EDL. The former warns/explains the issue very clearly. You will also see from the latter, the media files have 'No Reel Name' and the second column shows their sources as 'AX', meaning an auxiliary files - with no embedded data. You cannot auto-conform this EDL, which is my whole point about Canon files being only suitable if the project is being handled all in one system. You cannot do a traditional off-line/on-line process with Canon files - unless your post-house is happy to have someone sit there importing the files manually and then construct the edit manually, reading the timecode from the EDL. Fine for some - not for others!! Mark Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Jeremy Garchow on Sep 13, 2009 at 5:21:22 pm [Mark Richards] " You cannot do a traditional off-line/on-line process with Canon files - unless your post-house is happy to have someone sit there importing the files manually and then construct the edit manually, reading the timecode from the EDL" I still don't get it. Are you going to use the actual Canon files or the transcodes in the online? If using the transcodes, you can Modify > Timecode (that info most definitely goes in to the QT tc track and travels with the file, it is not stuck in FCP) and also add a reel name (which goes in the file as well). That way you can have what you need for the EDL. You can do this in FCP, anyway, not sure about Avid. It's been so long since I've worked on Avid. Jeremy Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Jeremy Garchow on Sep 14, 2009 at 3:30:42 pm [Mark Richards] " you cannot select a batch of files in FCP and modify them all in one go. " You can for reel name. most definitely. First you set one reel name, then you select all the rest of the clips, and then right click on the reel column and choose the reel name. Timecode, who cares? It's all kind of arbitrary anyway. As long as clip name, reel and tc are consistently correct, you should be able to match back no problems. Jeremy Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: capturing Canon5D with finalcut pro by Jeremy Garchow on Sep 14, 2009 at 4:47:05 pm [Mark Richards] "This comment sums up this forum. I thought it was for professionals - I'm dropping out." Ha! Good luck to ya, but timeout. You are trying to come up with a way to add tc to clips that have no tc to a camera that shoots compressed web images and you are a better pro than anyone here? Why ask if you already know the answer? I told you how, and you said it doesn't work that way. I told you to add a reel name and how to do it in a batch, and you said you can't and it will take too long to do 200 clips. I said that as long as the clip name (which is going to be the major identifier since all the tc for all the clips starts at 0). You can add reel names to each clip as well (but you don't want to take the time). And there's your EDL. Have fun! Jeremy Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index