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how to get it from FCP to DVD under 3 days render?
by Kent Beeson on Jul 3, 2009 at 3:05:51 pm

Hi

What's best quality, most efficient way to get our 85 min documentary out of FCP 6 to an SD DVD master?

Using 2008 model Mac Pro 3.0, 8GB RAM, I'm going from FCP to Compressor, via QT movie (current settings Pro Res) of Timeline, bring it into Compressor = NTSC, 16x9, 2 pass VBR best, 6.5 to 7.6 bit rate, GOP = IBBP closed, size 15, Frame Controls ON, resize filter = BEST, De-interlace = fast, Rate Conversion = Good...

I did a 2 minute test and it took an hour! And that was for a web-friendly 480 x 270 size. What's it going to be at 720 x 405 (the 16 x 9 version) - 3 days? What to do? Should I print the timeline to tape and bring it to a post house and they can do better or what? I know if I turn frame controls to OFF it'll speed up significantly, but then the FONTS/Text especially when over Black BG look horrible after compressed to 720 x 405.

Suggestions?




Thanks

K
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Re: how to get it from FCP to DVD under 3 days render?
by walter biscardi on Jul 3, 2009 at 3:21:23 pm

720x405? That's an off size.

My guess would be about 6 hours or less to render your file to MPEG-2. We've done feature length docs here and it doesn't take that long to do. Making H.264's for the web take longer than MPEG-2's.

The other way to do it is to simply downconvert from HD to SD before the compression if you want to pick up speed. We've done this too. Lay off the feature to HD tape then downconvert in realtime during ingest back into the system via our Kona 3's. Then create the SD DVD from that.

We work both ways with it here.

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Re: how to get it from FCP to DVD under 3 days render?
by Kent Beeson on Jul 3, 2009 at 3:30:31 pm

Thanks for the help...yeah the odd size is I guess the 16 x 9 bit, I bring it into Compressor using the SD DVD 720 x 480, then it makes it into that odd size.

Maybe your thought on HD tape would work best...

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Re: how to get it from FCP to DVD under 3 days render?
by David Roth Weiss on Jul 3, 2009 at 3:31:02 pm

Kent,

Turning on Frame Controls will exponentially increase render time.

Frankly, I'm not at all sure why you have frame controls on and why you are deinterlacing a DVD. Your titles are most likely funky because you are deinterlacing. Neither setting is necessary and both are causing the excessive render times you wish to cure.


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Re: how to get it from FCP to DVD under 3 days render?
by Kent Beeson on Jul 3, 2009 at 3:37:04 pm

Appreciate your thoughts - with Frame Control ON the Text looks good, with it off they look terrible...but you're right re: deinterlacing...can't find a way to turn that off if Frame C is ON...

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Re: how to get it from FCP to DVD under 3 days render?
by David Roth Weiss on Jul 3, 2009 at 4:43:12 pm

Have you simply tried one of the presets "as is" before adjusting the settings? Honestly Kent, trying to extract extra quality out of MPEG2 encoding might sound like a great way to go, but unless you know exactly what you're doing, you can just as easily create grief instead of curing it. You really should not require frame controls or deinterlacing on to make your titles acceptable on a DVD. I suspect you're simply masking one symptom while creating others.

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Re: how to get it from FCP to DVD under 3 days render?
by Kent Beeson on Jul 3, 2009 at 4:47:06 pm

Good help, thanks...I'll try using the Apple 90 min DVD preset and see what we get...

Thanks

K
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Re: how to get it from FCP to DVD under 3 days render?
by Kai Cheong on Jul 5, 2009 at 2:20:02 pm

Guessing your MacPro is a multicore system, you can speed things up by setting up your clusters for Compressor in Qmaster. Works very well on our early 2009 OctoCore.

Good, simple tips here:
http://lfhd.blogspot.com/2009/05/qmastercompressor-troubleshooting-tip.html

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