Round Trip From Apple FinalCut Studio and Adobe Premiere Pro
by Antony Lyons
on
Jul 2, 2009 at 5:37:04 pm
Hi I'm using Apple Final Cut Studio and one of my other friends are using Adobe Premiere Pro. I'm taping all the Footage and Editing some and He's Editing some also. Is there a way i can Capture footage so the we can just drag and drop onto each other hard drives... I'm using the Sony FX-1 and shooting in HDV. I usually capture in Apple intermediate codec. How can i achieve this round trip process that we both can use footage with out have to re capture or Print to video??
Re: Round Trip From Apple FinalCut Studio and Adobe Premiere Pro by Richard Sanchez on Jul 2, 2009 at 5:46:11 pm
If you capture Apple Intermediate, you can't share it at all. Even in native HDV format, I don't know if you can share media, and you certainly can't share project files. I know Automatic Duck used to support Premiere, but I don't believe it does anymore.
You're better off either having your buddy use somebody else's Final Cut system, or you use somebody else's Premiere system. It just isn't very easy hoping from NLE to NLE.
Richard Sanchez
North Hollywood, CA
"We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution." - Bill Hicks
Re: Round Trip From Apple FinalCut Studio and Adobe Premiere Pro by Richard Sanchez on Jul 2, 2009 at 5:57:06 pm
HDV is an extremely compressed format, so if you are constantly editing, printing to tape. Recapturing, and then sending back to tape, you will probably start experiencing quite a bit of quality loss and pixilation. Also, titles and graphics will not hold up well at all in HDV.
As far as which one captures better looking video, theoretically it's all the same if you're capturing native.
Richard Sanchez
North Hollywood, CA
"We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution." - Bill Hicks
Re: Round Trip From Apple FinalCut Studio and Adobe Premiere Pro by Wayne Carey on Jul 2, 2009 at 8:00:09 pm
Hang on, guys....
First, what OS is the Premier Pro system on? Is it a Mac based or PC based? If its on a Mac, there shouldn't be too much problem doing this. But if your buddy is on a PC... Forget it! Any of the Apple codecs will not work in a PC.
_______________________________
Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
http://web.mac.com/schazamproductions
schazamproductions@mac.com
Re: Round Trip From Apple FinalCut Studio and Adobe Premiere Pro by Dennis Radeke on Jul 4, 2009 at 2:58:22 pm
Anthony,
Premiere Pro CS4 supports Final Cut Pro import - something many FCP editors do not know. You can export from FCP as XML. From there, Premiere Pro can import it and you can relink the media. Adobe has also showed Final Cut Pro export from Premiere Pro but this is not publicly available yet.
As for sharing the media, my understanding is that ProRes is built into Quicktime (on Mac or PC). There are articles and tutorials that you can find on how to set up Premiere Pro to edit ProRes. I think Apple's HDV is propietary on the Mac and not a part of Quicktime, so you might want to check that out. If you can capture the media as something else, then you should have little difficulty... Good luck.
Re: Round Trip From Apple FinalCut Studio and Adobe Premiere Pro by David Roth Weiss on Jul 4, 2009 at 4:11:06 pm
[Dennis Radeke]"my understanding is that ProRes is built into Quicktime (on Mac or PC). There are articles and tutorials that you can find on how to set up Premiere Pro to edit ProRes."
Not exactly! ProRes is not built into QT on the Windows side. Apple has a ProRes decoder for Windows, which allows reading of ProRes video files in Windows apps, but it will not write ProRes files. So you can playback and edit ProRes, but you'll have to pick a different format to write or to edit to.
The Apple ProRes decoder for Windows can be downloaded using the following link:
Re: Round Trip From Apple FinalCut Studio and Adobe Premiere Pro by Dennis Radeke on Jul 6, 2009 at 12:21:52 pm
Hey David,
We've had this discussion before and I figured I'd look into it to see what's what. The link you provided does seem to indicate that the Windows users would have to install this in order to play back prores material. However, if you search "Windows prores decoder" Apple.com, you will get two links - one in Apple's download section and one in Apples support section. You linked to the support one. The other one is here:
You'll notice on this link, that the following is added at the bottom: "Apple ProRes QuickTime Decoder is also included in QuickTime 7.5.5 and later"
So, I fired up FCP, took an MXF file, logged it in the log and transfer window, popped it on my USB thumb drive and moved it over to my Vista 64 machine. When I first opened the clip via QT on the PC, it said I needed another component, but when I tried to install via the link you provided, it said a newer version was already installed.
When I imported it into Premiere Pro (PC), it played just fine. Of course the file will playback on Premiere Pro Mac just as well.
So, I'm not sure where that exactly leaves us, but at least for the point of this thread, it is easy to share media between FCP and Premiere Pro. I'll look into why the file didn't playback in Quicktime on PC and try to figure out what I did wrong.
Re: Round Trip From Apple FinalCut Studio and Adobe Premiere Pro by David Roth Weiss on Jul 6, 2009 at 3:39:55 pm
[Dennis Radeke]"We've had this discussion before "
I kinda was having a deja vu moment Dennis... I must say, it's all a bit confusing at this point. Apple certainly doesn't help to clarify much, do they?
In any case, I too am no longer clear on whether the decoder requires a separate download, nonetheless, it is still is just a decoder, so those using it can hopefully read, but not write ProRes on their Windows machines.
Meanwhile, I'll try uninstalling QT and the decoder on the Windows machine I'm testing here, then reinstalling QT, to see what the deal is on that... I'll let ya know what I find out.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
A forum host of Creative COW's Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.
