24 progressive or 25 progressive
by Joseph Ryan
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Jan 3, 2009 at 12:48:37 pm
Hi
I am buy a new camera. Where I live TV DVD are PAL but my main filming job is alway put to DVD in NTSC as it gets distributed global in small number, and seeing that PAL DVD players can play NTSC DVD but not the other way around everything get product in NTSC.
My question is to do with a new camera that I want to buy and I am after the look of 24 progressive to use in FCP. It is 24p for NTSC but 25p for PAL, is the look of the footage any different between the 24p and 25p?
A related question is that I am filming surfing (with lots of movement) does the 24p or 25p handle movement well? does one handle better than another?
Re: 24 progressive or 25 progressive by Jeremy Garchow on Jan 3, 2009 at 7:45:48 pm
How much are you willing to spend? Why not get a camera that can shoot both ntsc or pal?
Going 25 to 24 is easy as is 24 to 25. What's hard is shooting with a camera that will truly record 23.98 fps wihtout pulldown, unless you get a camera that shoots 720pN24 or 1080psf24 (and when I say 24, I mean 23.976)
If most of your stuff goes to NTSC, then I'd shoot with an NTSC frame rate camera. BUT! you have to make sure that you post in true 23.976 (or 23.98) which means if you shoot 24 with 3:2 pulldown (which is 29.97) you will have to remove that pulldown if you need to easliy conform to 25. Are you planning HD or SD?
Re: 24 progressive or 25 progressive by Joseph Ryan on Jan 7, 2009 at 1:35:15 pm
Hi Jeremy
Thanks for the replay. To make sure I get a true 24 progressive, is true progressive call native 24p. Where as when they call it scan 24p that is simulated 24p?
With final Cut Pro I gather there is a workflow where I can set up my project to be 24p native (I am currently on FCP 5 so I could not find a Pal setting (25p) but there was a NTSC set for 24p). I am waiting for FCP7 as I don't really need to start editing my next 2 projects until May and apparently (what I have read) most people think it will be available by April ( at the NAB thing). So if it is not available now (progressive settings) I gather it will be in version 7?
Is there the same thing in DVD Studio Pro (progressive settings) or does that need to be out putted to DVD in a interlaced format for playing on TV?
I am planing to shoot in HD, then after editing convert down to SD to put to DVD. I am hoping this won't produce a lower quality image than if I shot on SD and product a SD DVD. I want to shoot and edit in HD so in the future I can product a HD version of the movies.
I have found a camera that seem to fit everything I need, it is the Sony HVR Z5PU it is switchable between NTSC and PAL, it is HDV, it has a big enough zoom which I need (surf footage), it has a smooth slow motion function, is good in low light, can record to tape of card, has XLR audio connections. It said it records native 24p.
Re: 24 progressive or 25 progressive by Jeremy Garchow on Jan 7, 2009 at 9:45:53 pm
It's not simulated 24p, it's 24p with pulldown. You need to make sure it can record 1080psf23.98 or 720p24 Native.
[Joseph Ryan]"So if it is not available now (progressive settings) I gather it will be in version 7? "
You can edit progressively in FCP5, yes.
[Joseph Ryan]"Is there the same thing in DVD Studio Pro (progressive settings) or does that need to be out putted to DVD in a interlaced format for playing on TV? "
No. You can make progressive DVDs
[Joseph Ryan]"I am hoping this won't produce a lower quality image than if I shot on SD and product a SD DVD."
Nope. It will make better Sd DVDs in fact.
[Joseph Ryan]"I have found a camera that seem to fit everything I need, it is the Sony HVR Z5PU it is switchable between NTSC and PAL, it is HDV, it has a big enough zoom which I need (surf footage), it has a smooth slow motion function, is good in low light, can record to tape of card, has XLR audio connections. It said it records native 24p. "
I doubt that the caerma records 23.98 PsF but I could be wrong. If were you and need overcranking I'd take a good hard look at the HPX 170 from Panasonic. Shoot in 720p and get real slow motion.
