Reporting Back-EX1 render times

	Re: Reporting Back-EX1 render times by Rafael Amador on Dec 12, 2008 at 3:09:22 pm Hi Chris, I think that what Mick does is to set the SD sequence as DV just for editing. ,Before rendering he changes to Proress. If you edit in an EX-1 sequence and you drop that in a SD Proress, or just edit directly in an SD Proress sequence, it will be no difference. In both cases will be only one rendering, and this is the most important when working with 411/420 footage. If I go to SD I prefer to cut directly in an SD sequence because the possibilities for re-sizing and re-framing that the HD footage offers. In any case I set High precision and BEST Motion rendering. rafael www.nagavideo.com Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Reporting Back-EX1 render times by Rafael Amador on Dec 12, 2008 at 5:10:55 pm Hi Chris, For the SD sequence just open a NTSC DV and change the codec to ProRes. Don't forget to set Anamorphic. [Chris Babbitt] "What about slo-mo?" With the Slow-mow can be a problem. When you drop your EX-1/Upper-first in a Lower-first sequence (ie DV) you get the Shift-filter on. When you try tome a Slow-mow with "Frame Blending" FC makes a big mess. Shift-fields with Speed change can nt live together. Solution: Nest the clip with the Shift-fields before applying the Speed change. There is other solution that can works, for example if you go to DVD. Edit your EX-1 footage in an Upper-first SD sequence. You avoid the Shift-fields filter and you can make Slow-mow You can export without problem NTSC ProRess Upper-first. Any intelligent application (Compressor, Bit-Vice) will make a Upper-first MPG-2. There is some miss understanding about he fact that NTSC DV, 8/10b Unc and Proress must t be always Lower-first. This is true only when capturing or printing to video. When the video is in your computer you decide the field order. [Chris Babbitt] " Is this method better than just exporting the XDCAM sequence directly to ProRes? As I said I think that the less times you render your footage, the best. As I understand it, High Precision only applies to graphics, and by my experience that appears to be correct." High Precission is nothing about graphics. Is critical that you set "Render all YUV material in High Precission YUV" and Motion Effects Rendering: BEST. Tis affect to how the 1920x1080 4.2.0/8b Square pixels are converted in 720x480 4.2.2/10b NTSC-Anamorphic Pixels. Cheers, rafael www.nagavideo.com Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Reporting Back-EX1 render times by Rafael Amador on Dec 13, 2008 at 1:11:16 am [Chris Babbitt] "What about the Advanced Tab? If I am working with 1080 60i, do I leave the frame rate at 29.94 or do I change it to 59.94? Do I check the Interlaced box? Enable 4:4:4 filtering? Should I change to Top Field First, or does it matter? " You don't have to change the Time Base. Keep 29.94. And off course check Interlaced with the same field order of the sequence. About the 444 Chroma filtering I'm really don't know what to tell you. I always let it unchecked. [Chris Babbitt] ""When you drop your EX-1/Upper-first in a Lower-first sequence (ie DV) you get the Shift-filter on" This is the part I really don't get. When I drop my XDCAM sequence into the SD sequence, it nests, so I have one continuous clip and there is no shift-field filter applied. If I go back to the parent sequence, there is no shift field filter there either. Are you copying & pasting your timeline or are you dragging your HD sequence into the SD timeline? " Chris, to see the Shift-fields filter, you need to open the nested sequence in the Viewer. Click (no double) the stuff in the SD time-line and hit RETURN. The nested stuff opens in the viewer as it would be a continuous clip. Have a look to the Filters Tab and you will find the Shift-fields effect. rafael www.nagavideo.com Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Reporting Back-EX1 render times by Aleksey Severyukhin on Dec 13, 2008 at 1:48:18 am Rafael, if you workflow is correct do you mind to share? Correct me please: 1. Easy Setup - Format xd cam hd; rate: 29.97; xdcam ex 1080p30 vbr. 2.Set the hd seq: render control- apple pro res 422; quality: best;- what is general settings should be? 3.Import and edit xdcam footage. 4. Create new SD sequence: ntsc dv(3:2); PAR- ntsc-ccir 601..., check Anamorphic 16:9. Field dominance - none, Copmressor- apple pro res. Advanced - check interlaced, bottom field first. Video processing for eight bit YUV. 5. Drag hd seq into the SD seq,(it ask to change, yes/no?) render and export with current settings self-contained movie. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Reporting Back-EX1 render times by Rafael Amador on Dec 13, 2008 at 4:26:17 am 1. Easy Setup - Format xd cam hd; rate: 29.97; xdcam ex 1080p30 vbr. RIGHT., OR JUST OPEN ANY SEQUENCE AND LET FC CONFORM THE SEQUENCE TO THE EX-1 FOOTAGE. 2.Set the hd seq: render control- apple pro res 422; quality: best;- what is general settings should be? THIS IS NO MUCH IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU WILL USE THE RENDER FILES JUST FOR PREVIEW. 3.Import and edit xdcam footage. 4. Create new SD sequence: ntsc dv(3:2); PAR- ntsc-ccir 601..., check Anamorphic 16:9. Field dominance - none, Copmressor- apple pro res. Advanced - check interlaced, bottom field first: NO BECAUSE YOUR FOOTAGE AND YOUR SEQUENCE ARE PROGRESSIVE. JUST UNCHECK INTERLACED. Video processing for eight bit YUV: AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T MATTER HERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T GONNA RENDER THIS SEQUENCE. KEEP IT WITH THE DEFAULT FOR 8b. 5. Drag hd seq into the SD seq,(it ask to change, yes/no?) render and export with current settings self-contained movie. RIGHT. THIS IS THE SD SEQUENCE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONFORM IT TO THE HD SPECS. HERE IS WHEN YOU NEED TO SET "RENDER ALL YUV MATERIAL IN HIGH PRECISION YUV" AND RENDER MOTION EFFECTS: BEST. If you have already rendered something in the HD sequence, delete the render files so everything will be rendered at once in the SD time-line. Then export Self Contained with the current setting. Cheers, rafael Rafael www.nagavideo.com Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Reporting Back-EX1 render times by Aleksey Severyukhin on Dec 14, 2008 at 3:33:59 am thank you Rafael. 5. Sd seq. "Video processing for eight bit YUV: AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T MATTER HERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T GONNA RENDER THIS SEQUENCE. KEEP IT WITH THE DEFAULT FOR 8b."- "HERE IS WHEN YOU NEED TO SET "RENDER ALL YUV MATERIAL IN HIGH PRECISION YUV" AND RENDER MOTION EFFECTS: BEST. "- so I should set SD seq this way only after I dropeed the hd seq, correct? 5.1." If you have already rendered something in the HD sequence, delete the render files so everything will be rendered at once in the SD time-line."- I rendered everything in HD seq cuz I need to edit it and see how it looks/moves. Can you clarify it that please. and just quick tour in compressor: dvd best 90 mins-in inspector-encoder- video format tab check aspect ratio "16:9"-in quality tab motion estimation set to "best". If you are adjusting "Average Bit Rate" and "Maximum Bit Rate" fields, what is your method of calculation. You helping to a lot of people. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Reporting Back-EX1 render times by Rafael Amador on Dec 14, 2008 at 8:50:16 am [Aleksey Severyukhin] " so I should set SD seq this way only after I dropeed the hd seq, correct? 5.1." If you have already rendered something in the HD sequence, delete the render files so everything will be rendered at once in the SD time-line."- I rendered everything in HD seq cuz I need to edit it and see how it looks/moves." Hi Aleksey, The idea to set FC with less demanding setting for preview. For the final rendering or exporting, set FC to the highest quality setting. If you go to render in Prores, you must set "Render all YUV in High Precision" so is done in 32b Floating Point. If you don't do so the rendering is made in 8b and wrote in 10b. A waist. I suggest also to get read of the render files because, whatever the codec you use' your pictures will be rendered one time. When working with 420/411 footage the less times you render, the best. And if you need to render few times, export with the highest quality and avoiding recompression. About the DVD, you have to consider the length of the film and the kind of audio you will put. You can not pass a recommended total data rate neither make the files too big to put inside a disk. Rafael www.nagavideo.com Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Reporting Back-EX1 render times by Aleksey Severyukhin on Dec 15, 2008 at 11:27:35 am Rafael, very interesting, a) how would you correct the timing/details of the effects and transitions without rendering ? b) I work in final cut pro 6, and I know it is multi-sequence mechanism, but what if i have footage on different formats, and progressive and interlaced, how that would affect the settings? I've tried your system and it works, thank you! Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Reporting Back-EX1 render times by Rafael Amador on Dec 15, 2008 at 1:37:11 pm Hi Aleksey, [Aleksey Severyukhin] "a) how would you correct the timing/details of the effects and transitions without rendering ? " I don't say don't render but render with setting that lets you work faster. If the rendering in 8b is good enough to know how the effect will result, why to waist time doing it in 10b? [Aleksey Severyukhin] "b) I work in final cut pro 6, and I know it is multi-sequence mechanism, but what if i have footage on different formats, and progressive and interlaced, how that would affect the settings? " FC have two bugs related with managing field order: - When you play a clip backward, FC keeps playing the first field of each frame first. It should be the second field the one played first. - The Shift-fields filter can not live together with a speed change with blending frames. Out of this two bugs FC manage quite well working with different kind of field-order footage. But the digital files are really flexible and you can change the field order almost whenever you want. here in PAL-land we are dealing with this since years. People in NTSC-land mostly have had everything "Lower-first". Now with HD people found then self in the need to work with Upper, Lower and Progressive. Don't be afraid and make your own custom settings. If you go to end in DigiBeta, you know that you need to go to 10b NTSC 720x486 Lower-first. But if you go to make a DVD you can make your sequence 10b NTSC 720x480 Upper-first. Just don't forget the new order, and when you bring this file two other application (AE, Compressor,..) make sure that the fie get recognized properly as Upper. NTSC MPG-2 Upper-first works without problem. So basically depending of your delivery format you can set the things easier for yourself. Get your self a good de-interlacer (Nattress I suggest), make some experiments and post if you get stuck. cheers, rafael www.nagavideo.com Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Reporting Back-EX1 render times by Aleksey Severyukhin on Dec 18, 2008 at 12:56:37 pm Thank you! Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: Reporting Back-EX1 render times by Aleksey Severyukhin on Feb 10, 2009 at 9:05:02 am Hi Rafael, Any setting suggestion for web SD and HD youtube videos? What is your workflow for that? Thank You. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index