Mark Out is offset by one frame

That's the way the application works. The out point includes the frame you're sitting on, so it's after the frame. It does not mark like tape and mark where the playhead is, which is before the frame you're looking at.



All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP6," "Basic Training for FCS2" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"

That's the way the application is designed to work. The out point includes the frame you're looking at, which is why the mark is not at the playhead. The playhead is always at the intersection between the previous frame and the frame you're looking at. If the out point were marked at the playhead it would exclude the frame you're seeing. This is the way FCP has worked since version 1, and it is common to many NLEs.



All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP6," "Basic Training for FCS2" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"

Thanks for the pages in the manual. I guess I'm losing my mind because I never thought it was an issue before. There's no way to turn that off right?

Adding to Shane's comments...

This behavior is normal, and is derrived from the "EDL" concept where the out point is defined as the "First frame NOT recorded". If you've every closely examined an EDL, you'll see that the NLE behavior makes sense.

Mark

Just think "The frame I am seeing in the Canvas or Viewer will be the out frame, it will be included".

Because why wouldn't the application show you the frame that the action will apply to? If you don't want that frame included, go back one frame.

Actually, here's another....

Mark in, use make edit command, move forward 4 frames, use make edit command, delete the cut section you have made, how many frames have gone.... 4!

So how can it be logical to the simple mind of an editor (especially one that came from film) that when you move forward four frames from an in point, the technique from my previous email (mark in and out) deletes 5 frames while this technique deletes 4?

I know the argument goes that the make edit command is cutting on an in point in both cases, but what are the rules that says that the cursor cuts on a different frame depending on whether it thinks it's an in point or an out point? Certainly my film splicer did not make such presumptions under my firm and unwielding grip, try as it might....

And come to think of it I'm sure my old and trusty Media 100 system did not work this way, maybe not all NLE's have this 'quirk'.

Anyway, rant mode off. I'm on assignment sitting in a hotel in Dakar with not much else to do - posting when I should be listening to Mbalax at some groovy nightclub. Sad but true. But I do enjoy this fine forum.

Best,

Ken.

Sven,

Did you ever resolve this issue? I am having the same problem with marking my out point. I encountered this problem once before and then it mysteriously went away. However, now it's back and I need to get this resolved.

Ok I am having the same problem, it seems like I turned a setting on... Either that or I need further explanation cause it makes no sense to me that I can't cut at a desired point.

Look at this screen cap... The darker area ahead of the timeline marker needs to be turned off. HELLLLLP lol

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So after a couple of years since making this post originally, and developing more as an editor, I've realized that it's not a problem, it's how it should be, and I'd have it no other way. It's frame inclusive, how else could you mark an in and an out at the playhead, and have 1 and not 0?

Just remember to back off a frame and mark your out. Make it reflex. You'd have so many more problems if it was an exclusive out point.