New Macbook Pro - So disappointed.

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Shane Ross on Oct 14, 2008 at 6:18:37 pm No FW400? They tried to get rid of FW800 in their FIRST MacBook Pro (which prompted me to buy a Powerbook). FW400 is a standard. ugh. OK, looks like I'll be getting a refirb MacBook Pro. Nice and cheap. Shane GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it. Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Shane Ross on Oct 14, 2008 at 6:29:35 pm No firewire on the MB? sheesh. Yes, you can daisy chain. I have done it with success. I just don't recommend it as it doesn't work for a lot of people. OK...fine. Express card adapter...I can live with that. But GLOSSY ONLY? Ugh. Shane GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it. Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Winston A. Cely on Oct 14, 2008 at 6:24:57 pm They should have stopped the FW400 ports years ago. They never pushed FW800 the way they should so getting rid of it now seems a bit odd, but I guess better late then never. I'm supposing they're saying since there's a ExpressCard slot, you can add FW400 if you really need it or better yet go to a eSata. As far as the screen goes, I'm sure just like with the iPods someone is going to come out with a nice matte-screen protector so I'm not really bummed on that either. I still think the MacBook Pro is worth the price increase for pro apps compared to the MacBook especially with the ExpressCard slot. That alone opens up a world of possibilities the MacBook can't touch. I think the only disappointing thing was the lack of Blu-Ray drives, but as Steve said the licensing is a nightmare. I kinda doubted they'd add it to their laptops without adding it to their desktops first anyway. Just IMHO. :) Winston A. Cely Editor/Owner | Della St. Media, LLC Sound it out: Nu-clear, not nu-cu-lar. Mac Pro 3GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon 4 GB RAM | Final Cut Studio 5.1.4 | Aja Kona LHe Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Kevin Monahan on Oct 14, 2008 at 6:57:27 pm No 17" model? WTFIUWT? Kevin Monahan www.fcpworld.com Author - Motion Graphics and Effects in Final Cut Pro Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by walter biscardi on Oct 14, 2008 at 7:05:38 pm [Kevin Monahan] "No 17" model? WTFIUWT?" What do you need THAT for? I mean look at the picture on the Apple page. I can see a whopping 8 thumbnails in the Browser window, a nice scrunched up timeline on the right and two really large Viewer and Canvas screens. Isn't that all you need? :-) Walter Biscardi, Jr. Biscardi Creative Media HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions. Read my Blog! STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now! Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Stuart Simpson on Oct 15, 2008 at 12:12:29 pm [Bobby Miller] "They got rid of FW 400." No big deal. FW800 is backwards compatible, just get a FW800 to FW400 cable. [Bobby Miller] "And there's no matte option." Again not that big a deal with such a bright screen... You don't mention the new GPU's, which should help with color and Aperture, or the fact that you can spec up to a 2.8GHZ machine which sounds like a pretty nice mobile edit suite to me... What were you expecting? -Simmie 4 MacPros - Kona 3 & Kona LH 2 G5s - Kona LH xbox360, Wii, PSP, PS2 http://www.speak.co.uk Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Tom Wolsky on Oct 15, 2008 at 12:28:01 pm I've never seen a four-pin FW400 to FW800 cable. Maybe there is such an animal. Hate have change-over connector cables hanging off a machine. Too much can go wrong. The problem isn't the brightness of the screen, it's its reflectivity, which is ridiculously high. Basically you're watching yourself composited on the image in the screen, and any other highlights in the room are hot spot blobs on your image. Yes, you have two options to run graphics on the new MBP. The new graphics chip is not much better than the old one and sucks 25% more power when you turn it on. Oh, and you have to log out to switch between graphics options. The top end speed bump also cuts the battery life and really isn't much of a kick up from the current 2.4 model. Also hate the black keyboard, really hard to work with in dimly lit areas when the backlight isn't coming on. Curious how well the backlit keyboard works with black keys too. All the best, Tom Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP6," "Basic Training for FCS2" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy" Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop" Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by walter biscardi on Oct 15, 2008 at 12:40:09 pm [Tom Wolsky] "I've never seen a four-pin FW400 to FW800 cable." AJA ships one with every IoHD Walter Biscardi, Jr. Biscardi Creative Media HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions. Read my Blog! STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now! Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Stuart Simpson on Oct 15, 2008 at 1:10:32 pm [Tom Wolsky] "Hate have change-over connector cables hanging off a machine. Too much can go wrong. " I can't say I agree with you on this one. I have a few FW800 to 400 cables here and I've never had a problem, you can't avoid running some kind of cable from the machine to the deck/drive. Not to mention the all the other converter cables I use every day without any problems - Phono to BNC, Phono to XLR, s-video to SCART, ect -Simmie 4 MacPros - Kona 3 & Kona LH 2 G5s - Kona LH xbox360, Wii, PSP, PS2 http://www.speak.co.uk Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Tom Wolsky on Oct 15, 2008 at 1:25:17 pm I didn't mean just a 400 to 800 cable. I was concerned with running a 4-pin 400 to 6-pin 400 connected to a 400 to 800 connector with a turnaround between the two, but I guess it's not a problem now that I see there is such a thing as a 4-pin FW400 to a 9-pin FW800 cable. I guess the cable guys are going to make bunches on that. All the best, Tom Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP6," "Basic Training for FCS2" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy" Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop" Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Arnie Schlissel on Oct 15, 2008 at 3:03:09 pm [Tom Wolsky] "I've never seen a four-pin FW400 to FW800 cable." They're out there: http://fwdepot.com/thestore/product_info.php/products_id/989 http://www.firewiredirect.com/product/99/ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812339064 Arnie Post production is not an afterthought! http://www.arniepix.com/ Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Winston A. Cely on Oct 15, 2008 at 2:17:05 pm The only thing I'm bummed about is that the display is built for use with the MacBooks and not for desktops. I'd love to get my hands on that for my desktop! Winston A. Cely Editor/Owner | Della St. Media, LLC Sound it out: Nu-clear, not nu-cu-lar. Mac Pro 3GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon 4 GB RAM | Final Cut Studio 5.1.4 | Aja Kona LHe Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Winston A. Cely on Oct 15, 2008 at 4:39:45 pm True, but it'd be nice to have it out of the box. The Cinema Display line has long needed an upgrade, and I wouldn't be surprised if sometime before the holidays they release a new line for desktops. Winston A. Cely Editor/Owner | Della St. Media, LLC Sound it out: Nu-clear, not nu-cu-lar. Mac Pro 3GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon 4 GB RAM | Final Cut Studio 5.1.4 | Aja Kona LHe Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Jeremy Garchow on Oct 16, 2008 at 7:38:49 pm [Ben Holmes] "Also - I am yet to speak to anyone bothered about the glossy-only screens who has actually used one" I can't stand them. If you sit in any room with windows behind, you're screwed. ANy room with a light above and behind your heard, your screwed. The glossy screen looks a bit better, but constantly fidgeting to get the reflections off the screen drives me nuts and is not worth it in my opinion. No matter how bright the screen is you won't be able to overcome reflection without changing the angle of you, the light or the screen. From a manufacturing side of things, I can see why Apple would do it, this keeps it simple to manufacture one kind of screen and takes the guess work out of how many to make of each kind. I am going to wait for a 17" anyway to see what that has to offer. A faster speed bump will be nice. A quad core would be totally spectacular. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by walter biscardi on Oct 16, 2008 at 7:46:24 pm [Ben Holmes] "Also - I am yet to speak to anyone bothered about the glossy-only screens who has actually used one - I'd be happy for someone to prove me wrong" They're annoying as heck. I've used them in the Apple Store and could not imagine trying to actually use one for work. All I could see was myself looking back down at the screen, the surroundings behind me, the lights on the ceiling and the people walking by. The glossy screen is terrible to work with. So you can count me as one person who is bothered by the glossy screen who has actually used them on multiple occasions. Walter Biscardi, Jr. Biscardi Creative Media HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions. Read my Blog! STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now! Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by John Davidson on Oct 15, 2008 at 11:53:12 pm Think that's bad? What about Mac Pros? They haven't been even marginally updated since January. In computer terms, isn't 10 months the equivalent of about 10 years? I really can't see purchasing a 10 month old computer for a brand new state-of-the-art price. Hopefully there's something awesome around the corner because this wait has sucked. Just gotta keep my duct tape and wd-40 near the G5 for just a little longer.... Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by John Davidson on Oct 16, 2008 at 1:14:02 am "Don't mean to be rude but what exactly is an 8 Core Mac Pro tower not able to offer you? " ...the knowledge that it's not almost a year old. Uh oh. Have I started one of those inflammatory post wars where people gang up on me for saying it sucks there hasn't been an update on their premiere hardware line in a year? I hope nobody mentions how long the 30" Cinema Display has gone unupdated...uh oh...I did it again! John President & Creative Director, Magic Feather Inc. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by John Davidson on Oct 27, 2008 at 8:01:47 pm Hey Chin, Not sure if you'll be reading this post but you'll be pleased to know that I broke down and got a mac pro this weekend. Just couldn't wait anymore! Please feel free to lambast me for my smart-alecky response earlier :-). John Magic Feather Inc. Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Winston A. Cely on Oct 16, 2008 at 1:38:59 pm Consumer product lines are not geared for professional level applications. Never have and never should. If you need the horsepower for professional level apps, get the professional level Macbook Pro (or Mac Pro). Regardless of if the consumer level products can run the apps, Apple has deliberately left them short of what the Pro apps need in order to run smoothly and efficiently. Especially when thinking on the long term. A Macbook is going to loose it's ability to run newer versions of Pro Apps much quicker than the Macbook Pro is. There are plenty of stories (here at the Cow as well) of those who've used consumer level products to run pro apps, but you'll need to take note of the limitations that are involved. You will be crippled in some way if you decide to use a consumer computer to run professional applications. Winston A. Cely Editor/Owner | Della St. Media, LLC Sound it out: Nu-clear, not nu-cu-lar. Mac Pro 3GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon 4 GB RAM | Final Cut Studio 5.1.4 | Aja Kona LHe Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Shane Ross on Oct 16, 2008 at 5:19:20 pm Winston...we are NOT talking about professional level video here. We are talking CONSUMER level. People who use DV and HDV cameras with iMovie. Like my wife and kids. They don't use FCP, but they use iMovie...and they need firewire to offload footage from the DV camera they have. Without firewire, they CANNOT offload this footage. OH, but Firewire is dead, and firewire cameras are being phased out...right? Well, what about the people who have good working cameras and have NO NEED to upgrade to tapeless? They STILL SELL firewire DV and HDV cameras, so firewire is NOT dead. This is as stupid as not including firewire 800 on the first MacBook Pros. Boneheaded. Shane GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it. Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index

	Re: New Macbook Pro - So disappointed. by Shane Ross on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:18:38 pm [david soriano] "i'm looking to get into FCP for pro editing. What can i do with a MacBook Pro in this regard, anything?" OF COURSE! Everything. It has all the connections you need. If you need FW400, then either get a FW400 to FW800 adapter, or get a Firewire Express34 card. The MacBook Pro is intended for editing with FCP. MacPro would be MUCH better...but if you need mobility...and the built in Monitor. The MacPro requires that you buy a separate monitor. iMac...avoid for this. Shane GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it. Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def Respond to this post   •   Return to posts index