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Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by Ryan Atkins on Oct 1, 2008 at 11:39:39 pm

I'd like to start working in the HDV field and am wondering which type of Express Card 34 device I need to get. Can Firewire 400 handle HDV and DV capture straight from the camera, or is eSata preferred?

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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by Chris Borjis on Oct 2, 2008 at 12:08:11 am

[Ryan Atkins] "Can Firewire 400 handle HDV and DV capture straight from the camera, or is eSata preferred?"

HDV captures over fw 400 (it was designed for that) same for DV.

never seen eSata interface on a camera or deck.




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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by Ryan Atkins on Oct 2, 2008 at 12:16:43 am

Well, your correct. I meant to add in that my camera to computer connection is Firewire, but I have both eSata and Firewire available on my external. I wasn't sure which method was best for going computer to external hard drive, if any.

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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by Michael Sacci on Oct 2, 2008 at 12:19:51 am

If you go FW get FW800, it is backwards compatible, so you can connect both FW400 and FW800.



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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by David Roth Weiss on Oct 2, 2008 at 12:20:36 am

Sata is vastly superior -- nearly eight times the throughput of Firewire 400. That means greatly enhanced realtime playback without rendering.

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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by Ryan Atkins on Oct 2, 2008 at 12:32:37 am

Very well then. Sata it is.

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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by David Roth Weiss on Oct 2, 2008 at 12:36:17 am

Even better, get a two drive enclosure like this one and stripe the drives for twice the space and nearly twice the performance of a single drive. http://firmtek.stores.yahoo.net/sata2ensm2e.html

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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by Ryan Atkins on Oct 2, 2008 at 12:42:45 am

Have you encountered or heard of any issues with using the ExpressCard 34 cards in a MacBook Pro?

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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by David Roth Weiss on Oct 2, 2008 at 12:59:01 am

Yes, but not with the Firmtek. That's why I suggested it.

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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by Michael Sacci on Oct 2, 2008 at 6:16:32 pm

The biggest issue I have it the slot format itself, it is the worse design ever. You have to be careful with the moving anything that is connected to the card. Tension on the cable can push the card further in and then ejecting it. THis is true for and card and enclosure.

I have the Sonnet card and the firmtek enclosure and they work fine, in fact with the Sonnet express 34 eSata card you can connect up to 10 drives. Don't get the full speed of a desktop because of the limitation of the port but just so you know it is available.



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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by Joel Peregrine on Oct 3, 2008 at 4:31:11 am

8x's as fast? Maybe by spec, but not in my tests with a single drive, which is the way most users have them set up. These are results from a new 320gb 2.5" in an enclosure with fw and esata:

eSATA
Ext. Xfer Size Extended Read Extended Write

2 MBytes 49.606 MB/Sec 75.148 MB/Sec
3 MBytes 90.750 MB/Sec 75.632 MB/Sec
4 MBytes 91.741 MB/Sec 74.280 MB/Sec
5 MBytes 89.469 MB/Sec 73.439 MB/Sec
6 MBytes 95.430 MB/Sec 73.854 MB/Sec
7 MBytes 70.128 MB/Sec 68.089 MB/Sec
8 MBytes 50.820 MB/Sec 67.715 MB/Sec
9 MBytes 55.993 MB/Sec 64.673 MB/Sec
10 MBytes 62.203 MB/Sec 63.685 MB/Sec

FW800
Ext. Xfer Size Extended Read Extended Write

2 MBytes 45.354 MB/Sec 56.144 MB/Sec
3 MBytes 74.789 MB/Sec 56.527 MB/Sec
4 MBytes 76.737 MB/Sec 56.016 MB/Sec
5 MBytes 77.202 MB/Sec 56.115 MB/Sec
6 MBytes 77.986 MB/Sec 51.445 MB/Sec
7 MBytes 52.792 MB/Sec 54.490 MB/Sec
8 MBytes 59.809 MB/Sec 53.449 MB/Sec
9 MBytes 62.078 MB/Sec 53.915 MB/Sec
10 MBytes 59.929 MB/Sec 53.142 MB/Sec

FW400
Ext. Xfer Size Extended Read Extended Write

2 MBytes 32.601 MB/Sec 35.928 MB/Sec
3 MBytes 36.172 MB/Sec 36.460 MB/Sec
4 MBytes 36.044 MB/Sec 36.179 MB/Sec
5 MBytes 36.336 MB/Sec 36.194 MB/Sec
6 MBytes 36.406 MB/Sec 35.223 MB/Sec
7 MBytes 32.817 MB/Sec 36.238 MB/Sec
8 MBytes 34.640 MB/Sec 35.998 MB/Sec
9 MBytes 34.869 MB/Sec 35.927 MB/Sec
10 MBytes 35.503 MB/Sec 35.938 MB/Sec






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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by David Roth Weiss on Oct 3, 2008 at 4:55:13 am

[Joel Peregrine] "not in my tests with a single drive, which is the way most users have them set up"

Joel,

Inexpensive enclosures that have both firewire and SATA ports compromise the speed of SATA for the sake of the convenience of having firewire too. Dedicated SATA enclosures deliver throughput that is much closer to the combined capabilities of the SATA drives and the SATA controller. And, if you're using an express card in a laptop that also compromises throughput.

BTW, no one whose really appreciates the performance benefits of SATA would even think about using a single drive for editing. So, just because "most users have them set up" that way, that only means that most people don't really get it. That's not unusual.



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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by joel peregrine on Oct 3, 2008 at 5:04:57 am

"BTW, no one whose really appreciates the performance benefits of SATA would even think about using a single drive for editing. So, just because "most users have them set up" that way, that only means that most people don't really get it. That's not unusual."


A little condescending, don't you think? COW just lost a pair of eyeballs...



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Re: Firewire 400 or eSata for HDV capture?
by David Roth Weiss on Oct 3, 2008 at 6:16:28 am

[joel peregrine] "A little condescending, don't you think?"

No, just being factual Joel. After all, how many single SATA drives do you see being advertised here on the Cow?

David Roth Weiss
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POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


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