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by Tielman Dewaele (Mister T.) on Sep 3, 2008 at 8:16:26 pm

Hey,

Im doing some animation inside AE and rendering them as lowerfield uncompressed.
The sequence in FCP is lowerfield Pal dvcpro50. When importing, the fields show upper instead of lower, so i need to add an de-interlace and so the quality loss is big.
I tried many codecs and so on, but everthing fcp see it as upper.

How come?

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Re: imports everything with upperfield
by Chris Borjis on Sep 3, 2008 at 9:22:59 pm


It's never really a good idea to render with fields out of after effects because it usually complicates the workflow later (your situation is an example)

render out as is without fields and let final cut add the fields.

The problem will be gone.



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Re: imports everything with upperfield
by Jeremy Garchow on Sep 3, 2008 at 9:28:32 pm

Why not just change it to lower?

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Re: imports everything with upperfield
by Michael Gissing on Sep 4, 2008 at 8:36:03 am


Have you tried adding the shift fields filter? You shouldn't need to deinterlace to solve a field order issue.



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Re: imports everything with upperfield
by Martin Baker on Sep 4, 2008 at 10:16:18 am

You're working in PAL and unfortunately because of this crazy thing that DV codecs are Lower (Even) field order and other codecs are Upper (Odd) field order (but with the same 720x576 frame size), mixing the two often turns into the nightmare you're describing.

Rendering out of AE as Lower (Even) is fine but when you import to FCP, it will *always* assume that a 720x576 non-DV codec clip is Upper (Odd). There is no way to change this setting, so with every clip you'll have to manually change the Field order to Lower (Even) after importing it and preferably BEFORE adding to a sequence.

If you're putting the AE clip in a DV50 sequence then you're aiming to have the clip set to Lower (Even) - Command-9 to check it - with no shift field filter on the clip. That will give you the correct field order at the highest quality.

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Re: imports everything with upperfield
by Chris Borjis on Sep 4, 2008 at 10:11:06 pm


If it helps anyone I've never had any field order issues with AE because I NEVER EVER render to fields.

Leaving it progressive and letting the NLE or Encoder software add the proper fields is really the way to go.




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Re: imports everything with upperfield
by Jeremy Garchow on Sep 4, 2008 at 10:46:09 pm

Sorry, Chris. That seems wrong to me. You are essentially doing a deinterlace. FCP doesn't 'add fields'.

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Re: imports everything with upperfield
by Rafael Amador on Sep 5, 2008 at 1:16:31 pm

Hi Tielman,
The only thing you need to do is to check them as Lower First in the FC Browser.
If FC don't know that they are Lower, you must tell him.
Just drop them in your DV50 sequence and they will work fine.
Off-course don't use the "Shift Fields".
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