Saturation Problem
by Paolo Gentilini
on
Aug 25, 2008 at 9:16:56 am
Hello,
I have some problems with exporting the video. While editing some footage, I add a lot of saturation, for instance blue, but when it comes to export it, the color of the "movie" is the same as it was imported from the camcorder. I know there is some filter that makes the entire "problem", but I can't get it!!!
Re: Saturation Problem by Rafael Amador on Aug 25, 2008 at 3:47:37 pm
Hi Paolo,
Sorry but I'm not sure if I understand your question.
Do you mean that you have increased the saturation but when you go to export or pint to video the image looks the same? No more saturation?
Make sure that you are rendering properly. Select your whole sequence and Alt-R. Will render all.
See if now you got the effect working.
Rafael
Re: Saturation Problem by Paolo Gentilini on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:05:19 am
Hi Rafael,
yes, I've increased the saturation, but when I click on "EXPORT using QUICKTIME CONVERSION" the final result of the conversion is no longer saturated. I've done as you wrote - "ALT + R", but it is again the same. What can I do? The fact is that I've increased the saturation only of the blue color, and I don't need the saturation of all the colors.
Re: Saturation Problem by Rafael Amador on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:20:06 am
Hi Paolo,
Sorry for the delay.
The normal, and best, way to export from FC is Quick Time Mpvie.
Is the first option you get in Files> Export.
When you choose this option you export with the same setting of your time-line.
Check "Make Movie Self Contained".
Uncheck "Recompress all the frames".
With QT Conversion you have no much control of the process.
Normally the people use it to export draft versions or so.
For your master export don't use this option.
Rafael
Re: Saturation Problem by Paolo Gentilini on Aug 27, 2008 at 2:59:13 pm
Hi Rafael,
thank you for your answer.
I've done as you said - but I can't believe! It is always the same. The exported video is still less saturated than the video in the timeline preview. Like there is an auto level of white.
???
Re: Saturation Problem by Rafael Amador on Aug 27, 2008 at 5:05:59 pm
Reimport the clip to FC and have a look.
If you open the clip in QT will look with a lower Gamma.
Things will look lighter and less saturated.
QT by default display movies with 1.8 while FC 2.2
You can check in the QT preferences to display the same Gamma as FC.
Rafael
Re: Saturation Problem by Paolo Gentilini on Aug 27, 2008 at 6:33:43 pm
Ok, so the problem isn't in FC but in QT.
But If I upload this video on YOUTUBE (for instance), it will look like in FC or QT?
I'm so sorry for bothering you so much. But Thanks.
Re: Saturation Problem by Rafael Amador on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:47:39 pm
You don't bother.
In a PC the clip will look more or less like in FC.
FC changes the Canvas Gamma to fake the Gamma in a TV/PC like monitor.
If you want to have an idea how will look in a PC monitor, open the Monitor Preferences and set PC Standard Gamma. Then open the clip with QT player.
rafael
Re: Saturation Problem by Paolo Gentilini on Aug 30, 2008 at 2:06:18 am
Hollo!
It's me again. I just wanted to ask you one more question. i have to put some videos on You Tube, but I need the best quality of the video. How can i compress the videos so that look great but still small in mb?
Re: Saturation Problem by Paolo Gentilini on Aug 30, 2008 at 2:06:52 am
Hello!
It's me again. I just wanted to ask you one more question. i have to put some videos on You Tube, but I need the best quality of the video. How can i compress the videos so that look great but still small in mb?
Re: Saturation Problem by Paolo Gentilini on Aug 31, 2008 at 1:28:43 pm
Hi Rafael,
so the video is the following:
MOV, 768x576, H.264. - but the size of a 2 min video is 80 mb. And this is too much for uploading on youtube. I have also total video converter, which converts this video from 80 to 30 mb, but the image is not good.
Is there another way to resize the mb, but with a good image?
Re: Saturation Problem by Tom Wolsky on Aug 31, 2008 at 1:40:54 pm
Why is 80MB too big to upload to YouTube?
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP6," "Basic Training for FCS2" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"
Re: Saturation Problem by Tom Wolsky on Aug 31, 2008 at 1:53:23 pm
You said:
"MOV, 768x576, H.264. - but the size of a 2 min video is 80 mb. And this is too much for uploading on youtube."
And I said:
"Why is 80MB too big for uploading?"
Next, if you're making video for YouTube or web distribution you should forget about soft edge vignetting. Great in high def, usually dreadful on the web. It's really hard on compression and uses up lots of data rate.
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP6," "Basic Training for FCS2" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"
Re: Saturation Problem by Paolo Gentilini on Aug 31, 2008 at 2:00:53 pm
The video is going to be on DVD in HD. This is the video I'm doing for a small town in Croatia.
They want me to upload the videos on youtube for the first look, and that's why I wanted a better image. I can't make 2,3,4,5,... versions of the same video just because on the web edge vignetting is no ok, but thanks for the advise.
Ok, so now, is possible to resize the mb?
Re: Saturation Problem by Tom Wolsky on Aug 31, 2008 at 2:25:53 pm
There is an excellent article on the Ken Stone web site by Brian Gary about compressing for YouTube. You should look for it.
If you're delivering to different delivery mediums you really should consider making different versions.
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP6," "Basic Training for FCS2" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"
Re: Saturation Problem by Paolo Gentilini on Aug 31, 2008 at 6:30:48 pm
Hi Tom,
I've found the article and I'm going to read it. Thank you.
I really can't do different versions. I think there are a lot of work and I have a deadline. Maybe in the future I'll reedit again.
Re: Saturation Problem by Rafael Amador on Aug 31, 2008 at 2:16:45 pm
Hi Paolo,
As Tom say, dissolves and gradients makes the compression more complicated.
The first thing you should do is to send to YouTube a clip with the same dimensions that gets when compressed over there.
There is no point to send HD or SD when they will downsize it. Lighter the file you have to upload and an step less in the YouTube compression.
But the main problem is that YouTube re-compress everything.
The only way to get something good from there is to upload a picture with the less possible compression.
You can try PhotoJPEG or so. Off course, bigger file.
The solution would be do the compression at home using the very YouTube specs and and avoid any other process. But I don't think is no possible.
And don't forget a good de-interlacing.
Rafael
Re: Saturation Problem by Paolo Gentilini on Aug 31, 2008 at 6:09:04 pm
Hi Rafael,
thank you for your advises, but now I can't remove the gradients from the videos. This is not the only one. For now, there are 6 videos waiting to be uploaded, and there would be more.
As I sad, I'm new with final cut studio - that's why I'm having lots of problems. I've chosen this option because I though FCP gives the best result.
I thought that I can upload videos of good resolution and get the same on youtube, as I've seen some videos which have a good image, almost great. So I thought there is some trick that I don't know which will help.
Re: Saturation Problem by Rafael Amador on Sep 1, 2008 at 2:08:30 am
[Paolo Gentilini]"As I sad, I'm new with final cut studio - that's why I'm having lots of problems" I'm working with FC since five years but every movie is different than the one before. No finish testing and learning.
As Tom points a web video is not just a downscaled movie. If you want to do good videos for internet you need to start your production with that in mind.
rafael
Re: Saturation Problem by David Roth Weiss on Aug 31, 2008 at 5:47:48 pm
Paolo,
On YouTube there is a "new" switch that toggles bewteen standard and high quality. I clicked hiugh quality and your stuff doesn't look nearly as bad as the link you provided on the Cow, which only shows the standard version.
Meanwhile, some things came to mind after reading some of this very long thread.
1) You can upload videos to YouTube now that are 1024Mb, it's not limited to 100Mb any longer. So, you can send much higher quality than an 80Mb file. YouTube will however compress the crap out it anyway.
2) H.264 lowers the saturation often because it lowers the contrast. I often raise the contrast to 13 in the filter section of Compressor before exporting. You file on Youtube does see very contrasty though, so you may not have that issue any longer.
3) If your client wants there stuff on te Internetr at higer quality, Youtube is the place. Vimeo is much, much better.
David Roth Weiss
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Re: Saturation Problem by Paolo Gentilini on Aug 31, 2008 at 6:43:19 pm
Hi David,
Thank you for your message. I tried to find where is this option for high quality videos on youtube, but I can't find it! Can you please be more detailed and write me how can I do this?
1. The original file is 80, but i've resized it with Total Video Converter into a mpeg file and now it is 30 mb (same quality of the video). The thing is TIME. I still wait more than an hour for a video of 30 mb, can't wait one day for a video of 80 mb.
2. For the saturation, everything is clear now, the problem was with QuickTime. When I copied the video on a Windows, the image looked almost the same. But thank you for the information.
3. For now only on Youtube, later the videos will be on DVD, but in HDV quality.
