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Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Mitch Ives on Apr 25, 2008 at 6:14:23 pm

Since installing FCP 6.0.3 and QT 7.4.5, Livetype is broken on the new 8-core, but works fine on the Intel C2D MBP 17. Both have FCP 6.0.3 and QT 7.4.5 and 10.5.2. Both have had the FCP preferences thrown out to try and repair the problem.

Here's where it gets fun. If I take the .ipr file from the MBP 17 that displays fine in FCP on the laptop and move it to the 8-core tower, the screen is solid black... the same as when I make one in Livetype on the 8-core. Even stranger, the files made on the 8-core that don't work, display fine on the MBP 17.

We'd sure like this fixed, Apple. We've confirmed this problem with several other people...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Grant Guston on Apr 29, 2008 at 6:45:52 pm

Running OS 10.4.11, FCS 2 6.0.3, QT 7.4.5 on both a Mac Pro Dual 3Ghz and MacBook. Same problem. Livetype styles, effects, objects do not show in the LiveType and renders are black. Old .ipr files display as plain text within FCP without styles or effects. This all stems from the last Pro Applications Update. Everything was fine until that was installed and now my finished project awaits a fix before I can output it. Come on Apple!

Grant Guston
Lake Effect Media, Inc. &
Up North Films
Marquette, Michigan

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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Mitch Ives on May 6, 2008 at 12:39:06 am

Thanks Grant... now we know it isn't tied to OS 10.5.2, since you have it on 10.4.11. That's worthwhile news. If you haven't already, please send a feedback report to Apple, so they know it isn't OS related...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Sjon Ueckert on May 6, 2008 at 12:57:08 am

My guess is that this problem is tied to QT 7.4.5. I am using 7.4.1 on a dual quad tower and am having no problems. Can you back your QT to 7.4.1? I am also running 6.0.2, so if the QT is not the problem (I really think it is) then it would be the right time to re-install FCP 6.0.2



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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Mitch Ives on May 6, 2008 at 4:34:56 pm

The problem is that we need 6.0.3 (which requires QT 7.4.5) to get some third-party plugins like Primatte working properly...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Dave Jenkins on May 7, 2008 at 4:35:02 am

Well I tried NOT to update to FCP 6.03 and QT 7.45 but you can't get FCP 6.02 from Apple anymore and now I have the same problem with Livetype. Anyone know where I can get 6.02?

Dajen Productions
Santa Barbara, CA
G5 Quad - AJA Kona LHe
Huge 1.2 Raid
FCP 6.0.2-OS X 10.4.11-QT 7.3

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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Mitch Ives on May 7, 2008 at 3:26:59 pm

[Dave Jenkins] "Anyone know where I can get 6.02?"

Wished I had it, but I'm sure if you post on the FCP forum, then someone will respond offline...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Dave Jenkins on May 7, 2008 at 8:50:34 pm

I found 6.02 and reinstalled everything WAB! Now thing are fine with LiveType!

Dajen Productions
Santa Barbara, CA
G5 Quad - AJA Kona LHe
Huge 1.2 Raid
FCP 6.0.2-OS X 10.4.11-QT 7.3

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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Mitch Ives on May 9, 2008 at 3:40:19 pm

Great news... perhaps you could report that to Apple under Feedback?

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Dave Jenkins on May 11, 2008 at 3:11:28 am

Hi Mitch, I did report this to Apple.

Dajen Productions
Santa Barbara, CA
G5 Quad - AJA Kona LHe
Huge 1.2 Raid
FCP 6.0.2-OS X 10.4.11-QT 7.3

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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Mitch Ives on May 13, 2008 at 3:31:57 pm

Did you also go back to an earlier version of QuickTime, or are you running 7.4.5 with 6.0.2?

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Dave Jenkins on May 13, 2008 at 4:05:06 pm

I went back to QT 7.4.1 & FCP 6.0.2

Dajen Productions
Santa Barbara, CA
Mac Pro 2.8 Octo - AJA Kona LHe
Huge 1.2 Raid
FCP 6.0.2-OS X 10.5.2-QT 7.4

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Re: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Mitch Ives on May 15, 2008 at 6:36:43 pm

It would be nice to find someone who just installed QT 7.4.5 to see if that was the cause, or whether is was the FCP 6.0.3

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

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Re: Has anyone heard from Apple on this?
by Mitch Ives on May 9, 2008 at 3:41:10 pm

Has anyone heard from Apple on this problem?

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

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Found problem: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Mitch Ives on May 20, 2008 at 5:39:21 pm

I reported earlier that I had developed a problem with anything made in Livetype, since installing FCP 6.0.3 and QT 7.4.5 on our 2008 MacPro 8-core with the Kona 3. Basically, none of the LiveType files on the FCP timeline would show up... they'd appear as black. Several other people have reported similar problems.

Our particular problem now appears to be isolated in the Kona 3 drivers. If I switch off of the Kona 3 Easy setup and use the FCP supplied "DVCPRO HD - 720p24" Easy setup instead, then the Livetype problem goes away on the 2008 MacPro 8-core. All the Livetype files magically reappear on the timeline. This is 100% repeatable by switching back and forth between the stock FCP preset and the Kona 3 preset.

This project was originally created in FCP 6.0.2 & QT 7.4.1 using this same machine and the same Kona 3 where the Livetype files displayed fine. Looks like FCP 6.0.3/QT 7.4.5 changed something that the AJA folks need to address...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

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Re: Found problem: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Sjon Ueckert on May 20, 2008 at 5:45:46 pm

Great! Have you notified AJA about this?

Sjon



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Re: Found problem: Livetype problems under 6.0.3 FCP & QT 7.4.5
by Mitch Ives on May 21, 2008 at 2:11:32 pm

Yes, we have, but yesterday we discovered that it isn't just AJA.A friend of mine with a 2007 Mac Pro Quad is experiencing the same thing since upgrading to FCP 6.0.3/QT 7.4.5. On the strength of our discovery, he removed his Black Magic Intensity Pro from his Mac Pro and now LiveType works properly on that machine as well.

Apple definitely changed something serious in the latest Pro Apps update. In addition to FCP 6.0.3, it included a new plug-in manager, which may be the culprit. But then again, it could all be caused by QT 7.4.5. Who knows at this point...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com

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