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You know what wins it for me?

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John DavidsonYou know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 12, 2013 at 8:30:29 pm

Adobe should just buy Maxon/C4D and put the whole, full C4D app in as part of the stable of CC. 3D animation is the big glaring hole in the Adobe suite, so that pretty much would clinch the whole deal. While I'm happy that C4D Lite is included, it's really more of a great importer that upsells C4D.

Right now we're getting our needs met with Element 3D. A fully functional 3D animation and modeling program as part of CC would certainly provide a truly overwhelming argument for Creative Cloud over CS6. Even if it is a rental.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Chris PettitRe: You know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 13, 2013 at 1:29:14 am

Worried about having every application at the core of what I use to make a living owned by ONE company.

Was worried about that same issue when I was at NAB in 2005 when it was announced (while I was in the Macromedia booth) that Adobe bought Macromedia at a time that 80% of my work was Flash based application development. I asked the question then: "what happens when these guys own everything?" "Is that good for the industry to have less or even no competition?"

Now 70 percent of my work is Adobe based and the remaining portion of the pie is largely C4D. A Maxon buyout means Adobe owns damn near %100 percent of what I use to make a living.

Since I know I'm not alone, wondering what other artists think about that prospect. Scares me quite a bit given mandatory CC


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Gustavo BermudasRe: You know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 13, 2013 at 2:27:43 am

[Chris Pettit] "Now 70 percent of my work is Adobe based and the remaining portion of the pie is largely C4D. A Maxon buyout means Adobe owns damn near %100 percent of what I use to make a living.

Since I know I'm not alone, wondering what other artists think about that prospect. Scares me quite a bit given mandatory CC
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I think it all depends how successful CC will turn out to be, if CC becomes a failure most likely they will have to start reducing their company by selling some of their apps.
We have to see what's their bottom line in turns of numbers, as a company Adobe grew to an immense size, so they're going to need a steady flow of revenue to keep it that way.

I just don't see how people will ever get used to the rental subscription model though.


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Chris PettitRe: You know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 13, 2013 at 2:42:58 am

Particularly if they start adding to the list of what has to be rented.

Good point.


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John DavidsonRe: You know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 13, 2013 at 7:45:03 am

I guess what I mean is, a real 3D program makes it worth accepting the new rental reality. It's pretty unlikely Adobe is going to make one of their own.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Morten RanmarRe: You know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 13, 2013 at 9:32:55 am

On the other hand - the more specialised programs they add to the bulk, the more it makes me advocate for the opportunity to choose which elements my subscription will be paying for...

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Ridley WalkerRe: You know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 13, 2013 at 3:19:20 pm

[Chris Pettit] "Worried about having every application at the core of what I use to make a living owned by ONE company.
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I agree. However this is the way of the digital world. Companies aggregate and begin to dominate the category. Amazon, Google, Adobe.

Its the new hegemony.


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Chris PettitRe: You know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 13, 2013 at 4:25:41 pm

Yes, sadly.

Unless it ultimately becomes such an Oligarchy that government has to step in. I understand that Australia and the EU are already looking in to these issues.


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Gustavo BermudasRe: You know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 14, 2013 at 12:34:55 am

I actually prefer the companies that specialize in one segment of any industry to the ones that want to grab all, you know, jack of all trades...


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Rainer SchubertRe: You know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 14, 2013 at 2:02:43 am

I hope this never happens: Adobe Cinema 4D!

The people at Maxon are so helpful, so absolutely not arrogant & absolutely serious in the past.
I use Cinema since it´s market start & it´s one of my "Core Apps".
(Also use Maya, 3D Studio & Blender - but C4D most likely)
BtW: The integration in AE is horrible as I can read on many Websites (It´s the only CashCow thing I miss, but I have also workarounds with CS6).
Would be so sad to say good bye because it´s only available in BS CashCow.
(And you would be sad, because Adobe would take this as an argument to raise price - and they need arguments for that in the future).
Seems like Adobe is going forward buying out competitors.
What are the Apps they developed themselves?
And why did all the bought Apps never reached the status "one world" (Same GUI/Layers/path-handlers/...)?


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Chris PettitRe: You know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 14, 2013 at 5:20:04 am

You're absolutely right about the attitude at Maxon. Great group of people. Fantastic company and fantastic software. I've owned since version 9 and have loved every single minute of the experience. No pain - ever.

When I call tech support at Maxon (which is VERY rare because their software almost always works like it should) I get smart, experienced, helpful, knowledgeable, creative people on the other end of the phone. They always are in a position to steer me towards a solution, and they are NEVER arrogant. (unlike other companies we all know) And I get someone who has not been outsourced and is at least somewhere near my timezone. Compare that experience with support at Adobe. Adobe support is JUST PLAIN TERRIBLE, has been for many years. My experience with Adobe support is the worst of any software I have ever owned, bar none.

EDIT: BTW I am refering to phone based or traditional tech support at Adobe, did not mean to imply the the contributions from Adobe staff on this site are not appreciated. They are.

The only issue I have with Maxon is that I cant get my hands on Cineware without subscribing to Adobe's rental scheme, and that's not even Maxons' fault.


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Rainer SchubertRe: You know what wins it for me?
by on Jul 14, 2013 at 10:33:02 pm

My relation to Maxons SW and People is nearby the same as yours.
I´m also disappointed that Cineware is only available (and therefore not available for me) through the cloud.
But it not working quite stable and fast (I read not only one time - & the correct/most compatible graphic card seems to be very important).
For the moment I do that jobs with the PlugIn to AE CS6 - if I need that "Bridge". Not as comfortable, but it works.
Sometimes also use Blender, which (sometimes) can do all in one App.
And, Yes the people at MAXON are really great.
They always tried to solve my problems. If you send them a mail, that there is some error or there is something wrong in the help-system, they fix that as fast as they can. And there was never an answer given after longer than 24h.
BtW: The Maxon help-system is the most wonder-/helpful help-system I know (...compared to "Adobe-help..." - there are worlds between).

I would be really aghast if this company will be bought (like so many other competitors) also.
And - who knows - been thrown away, when they bought the next competitor.


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