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Ben EdwardsMacpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 18, 2012 at 11:08:52 am

Hi,

I know they are not supported but I am a student and would like to give Resolve Lite a try. I have a MacPro1,1 which has been upgraded to Xeon Quad 3Ghz (64 bit). My graphics card is not OpenCL and I was looking to get a 8800 GT or a 5770 (at a push). Will this work at all for getting some hands on experience with Resolve and if so how many nodes can I expect to get?

In a way even if real-time playback does not work I can still start learning resolve.

Ben

PS my main focus is editing.

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Robert HoullahanRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 18, 2012 at 3:35:13 pm

It will run Resolve but not in realtime, the bottleneck on the 1,1 Mac-Pro is the PCIe V1.0 slots which limit bandwidth on the GPU. I had a slightly later model Mac-Pro running Color with a Sata array and the fastest ATI card I could find and it was passable for that. I then got a GTX-285 card with a patch to run it on the older machine and that was the first machine I ran Resolve on. It worked but not anywhere near realtime, certainly not like the 3 GPU system I have now.....

-Rob-

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Ben EdwardsRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 18, 2012 at 3:53:57 pm

So there is not much point is getting the 5770 on my setup?

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Joseph OwensRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 18, 2012 at 4:05:19 pm

Resolve is much more nVidia-centric than it is AMD/ATI, plus the real GPU performance comes with CUDA.

In the future, since CUDA has been opened to developers, this may not be so critical, but as of today, even though Resolve is OpenCL-friendly, the current ATI cards are only grudgingly accepted, and only for GUI up until recently, and so the 5770 is really only second, or maybe even third prize. Not on the podium if you consider all the other possibilities. If you looked at the history of development for the application, use of the 5770 is a very recent development, and kind of a side-show to accommodate Apple's incredibly limited GPU compatible-asset base.

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Ben EdwardsRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 18, 2012 at 4:19:50 pm

So are you saying out of the two cards the 8800GT is probably a better bet as its NVidia?

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Robert HoullahanRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 18, 2012 at 5:51:20 pm

Yes but the 8800 is not a really high performance card. I would try to go with a Gt-120 and a GTX-285 (flashed card on Ebay) for the best performance on that machine. To run a GTX card you will probably need a patch to allow OSX to run it...

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Ben EdwardsRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 18, 2012 at 6:13:37 pm

Robert,

Darn, does not look like the GTX-285 will work on my MacPro1,1;(. So its the 8800 after all.

Regards,
Ben

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Robert HoullahanRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 18, 2012 at 7:00:52 pm

You can run a GTX-285 on a 1,1 Mac Pro but it will not utilize all of the GPUs performance due to bus limitations. There is a patch Kext file which allows the GTX to run on the older machine.

The GT-120 is a low performance card I think that the 8800 is higher performance. You should take a look at the configuration guide on BMD's site for the Mac-Pro.

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Ben EdwardsRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 18, 2012 at 6:24:41 pm

"Yes but the 8800 is not a really high performance card. I would try to go with a Gt-120 and a GTX-285 (flashed card on Ebay) for the best performance on that machine. To run a GTX card you will probably need a patch to allow OSX to run it..."

The GT-120 is the cheapest, out of the two is there much difference in terms of performance. I haven't heard these two mention in terms of FCPx.

However the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 is dual head, does it work with FCPx?

Ben

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Joseph OwensRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 18, 2012 at 6:55:02 pm

[Ben Edwards] " I haven't heard these two mention in terms of FCPx.

However the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 is dual head, does it work with FCPx?"


Although there might be a few people here that have some FCX experience, for most of us its a non-starter and aren't all that concerned with its compatibilities. I seem to recall seeing a list of cards on Apple's website, but didn't pay much attention. I imagine you would get more advice on the FCX threads.

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Joseph OwensRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 18, 2012 at 6:58:55 pm

Out of morbid curiosity, I looked up the table. Amazing what a simple search string will yield.

(Partial quote)
The following AMD, ATI and NVIDIA graphics cards support OpenCL in Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard and in OS X Lion:

NVIDIA
GeForce 320M
GeForce GT 330M
GeForce 9400M
GeForce 9600M GT
GeForce 8600M GT Note: OpenCL compatible, but does not meet system requirements for Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5 and Compressor.
GeForce GT 120
GeForce GT 130
GeForce GTX 285
GeForce 8800 GT
GeForce 8800 GS
Quadro FX 4800
Quadro FX5600

There you go.

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Joseph MastantuonoRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 23, 2012 at 3:11:44 pm

With the amount of time and money you're spending on getting this old Mac pro to work... Maybe you should look at building a windows box? I think I specc'd a minimum working windows box at ~800$ a while ago, minus the black magic card

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Ben EdwardsRe: Macpro1,1 ATI 8800/5770 Resolve lite (I am a student, will it work).
by on Jan 24, 2012 at 10:51:30 am

I ended up picking up a 5770 for £70 (PC version but works with Lion). I may of pent a few hours but I have also learnt a lot about Macs in the process. For example it looks like I can upgrade to 2*4 core 2.66Ghz. I think if I decide to build a new box it will be a Hakintosh;).

Ben

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