| New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250?
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 | New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250?
by Allen Zagel on Sep 13, 2007 at 1:40:18 pm |
Hi
Am considering getting a new camera. Been looking at the PD-170 and the DSR-250. Both will do what I need especially being able to embed a date-time stamp on the video itself.
How is the DV-cam video? Much better than a MiniDV? Full size DV-cam tapes are 2 hours or more which would be great not having to change tapes every 63 or 83 minutes.
The DSR-250 will also shoot MiniDV. So I'm not sure which way to go. If I stay with MiniDV then the PD-170 probably, but being able to shoot only 40 minutes or so of DV-Cam wouldn't do it for me.
Any suggestions or ideas?
Thanks
Allen
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• | | | |  | Re: New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250? by DSE/Spot on Sep 13, 2007 at 1:46:03 pm |
DVCAM and DV are identical in terms of quality. DVCAM operates at a slightly different pitch and faster turn, but this doesn't equate to a better picture, only a lower error rate.
As a curiosity, why are you staying SD, given that the future isn't SD?
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• | | | |  | Re: New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250? by volki9 on Sep 14, 2007 at 11:07:28 am |
By all means, I wouldn
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• | | | |  | Re: New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250? by Allen Zagel on Sep 14, 2007 at 12:32:15 pm |
Hi Spot
Good question. HD/SD. The technical stuff I do for Railroads is still MPEG-1 on CD. I've never seen such redundant, backward systems except on railways. Most of their network computers don't even have QT installed let alone DVD players.
The other reason is I'm waiting for my final grade for a test I recently took to be a Certified Legal Video Specialist (CLVS). I hope to be getting into deposition work and eventually court-room work. The bulk of that video is still also MPEG-1 on CD although many are upgrading to DVD and MPEG-2. Most times the video is synced to the transcripts. Also while the industry is trying to get away from VHS tapes to CD's and DVD's, some lawyer's and courts still require them.
So while I had thought of going HD and just shooting in SD, I can't see if it's justified in my case at this point. Also I've heard that the low-light capability of the HD cams isn't as good as some of the SD cams (VX2000-PD170) and also I may be wrong but focusing is more critical and harder.
So that's why I'm posting in many forums trying to get ideas and suggestions. The Legal Video forum is still 90% SD (MiniDV, DVCam, DVCpro etc).
Volki, Thanks also for your imput. Tapeless would be the way to go. I thought of that Panasonic P2 system.
Also at depositions most all are recording/encoding on the fly to a DVD and maybe VHS right at the depo. The general thought is to have 2 to 3 recording mechanisms for backups. I don't know, if I had the Z1 or V1 how I'd do a simultaneous recording to a DVD recorder, unless it doesn't make any difference to the firewire connection, or analog out to a VHS recorder.
I'm still investigating, learning and asking questions.
Thanks
Allen
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• | | | |  | Re: New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250? by Allen Zagel on Sep 14, 2007 at 12:42:56 pm |
uh oh! I just read the post above mine here. In 90% of my shooting I've also been using the Panasonic PQ/MQ 83 minute tapes. I've never had any problems with these in my VX2000 but reading the post above scares me now! ;-( If I went with the PD170, I'd be taking a chance with 83 minute tapes in a DVcam machine? Hmmmmm! Also I never shoot in LP, only SP.
Allen
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• | | | |  | Re: New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250? by Blast1 on Sep 15, 2007 at 1:10:17 am |
One way to go for depositions is DVD recording, Sony has small portable DVD recorders which will record from FireWire or Analog, you can take the output of a cam via analog or Firewire and have a finalized DVD minutes after a disposition or will with all legal entities present, you can make certified copies with a laptop also in a short time, there are some folks which will only take analog tape recordings as the detection of skulldugary is supposedly? easier.
I've used Pana PQ83 min tapes for a long time in various VX, PD and DSR cams with no problems, usually i've been doing multicam shoots for two hour programs that have a mid-break but being impromtu performances the performers get carried away, so I always have one wing cam loaded with 83min tapes in case of over runs so I can switch tapes on other cams with no loss, if the performance runs on time I copy the tapes to shorter ones rewind and degauss for another use, I have used the same tape up to 3 times before having to archieve the tape because of over-run with no problems, years ago when I first stsated to use miniDV tape I took some 83 min tapes and some 63min tapes, recorded, played back, rewound, and degaussed 50X in the same area of the tapes with no dropouts on either tapes, Later on I repeated the same test on 63 tapes for more than 250X with the same results, There has been internet mis-information about tape lengths, using different brands, wet/dry lubes on tapes for years
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• | | | |  | Re: New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250? by Allen Zagel on Sep 15, 2007 at 11:22:45 am |
Hi Blast1
Thanks for the imput. That's exactly what I plan to do. Seems that many on the legal video forum are starting to use those new Sony Driect DVD burners. I had always planned to make backups to either or both DVD / VHS. JVC or Panasonic don't remember which now, supposedly has a new 3-way recording deck with HD, DVD & VHS but haven't looked it up yet.
The other idea I had was to shoot through my laptop and DV Rack to my external HD, which would give me my video monotor as well as audio monitor among other monitors.
I also have been using the Panasonic PQ/MQ 63?83 tapes exclusively for over 4 years now and never had any problems with the 83" tapes in my Sony VX2000, nor any dropped frames in capturing. What sort of scared me was the post above as well as something someone said on the LV forum about using the 83" tape in a PD-170 as that camera was designed for DV-CAM and runs somewhat faster. Or does it know which tape is inserted? ha ha
Thanks
Allen
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• | | | |  | Re: New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250? by Blast1 on Sep 16, 2007 at 12:09:09 pm |
[Allen Zagel] "LV forum about using the 83" tape in a PD-170 as that camera was designed for DV-CAM and runs somewhat faster. Or does it know which tape is inserted?"
I always had the menu on the PD set to DV SP, never tried to put a 83min tape in the cam in the DVcam mode, if you notice there maybe a identifier on the tape cassettes as most 80+ min cassettes have metalic contacts on the cassette like the memory chip ones.
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• | | | |  | Re: New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250? by dinamoeller on Sep 15, 2007 at 3:47:29 pm |
What are the model numbers for these Sony DVD recorders you're talking about?
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• | | | |  | Re: New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250? by Allen Zagel on Sep 15, 2007 at 5:07:16 pm |
Model #VRD-MC5DV - Direct
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• | | | |  | Re: New Camera. PD 170 or DSR-250? by dinamoeller on Sep 15, 2007 at 6:45:32 pm |
Thanks! Do you know of any recorders that have a hard disk though, that you can record to and then burn the dvd?
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