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export to .f4v in high quality and low file size
by Xander van Baarsen on Sep 16, 2009 at 3:47:05 pm

I'm having a problem which I'm sure there's an answer to. I'm exporting an movie, which I edited in Adobe Premiere Pro CS4, to a .f4v file. I'm exporting the file using Adobe Encoder CS4.

Everything goes like planned and I succeed but the file size is to big. I end up having a file of 18mb with a resolution of 1080x720. It may sound like an mission impossible but there are examples of smaller files with the same resolution. (for instance the intro movie on this site:http://www.havana-mojito.com/). This file is nothing more than 3,1mb and it even has a resolution of 1024 x 470, without cutting back in quality.

Does someone has an answer to this?

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Re: export to .f4v in high quality and low file size
by Vince Becquiot on Sep 16, 2009 at 4:44:16 pm

First, drop your resolution. You will see many sites advertise HD playback when it fact, what you are seeing is still barely SD.

It's just "HD" compared to what you used to see in web live streaming a few years back.

I never export anything above 854x480, the equivalent of SD widescreen in square pixels.

Here is a link to an encoding table to help you make a wiser choice on settings.

Another important note is that Premiere isn't very good at downconverting.

You can read on at Jon Geddes' blog for some details on keeping the highest quality.

I find that exporting HD uncompressed and then downconverting and exporting using After Effects does a fantastic job.

Vince Becquiot

Kaptis Studios
San Francisco - Bay Area

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Re: export to .f4v in high quality and low file size
by Xander van Baarsen on Oct 15, 2009 at 10:23:02 am

Thank for your response Vince, but I'm still not very satisfied with the file size I'm exporting in. I understand it's not really HD I'm viewing on the web. Nevertheless in the example I gave I'm looking at a resolution of 1024 x 470, the movie is 26 seconds long and it's only 3.1 mb (f4v). I'm trying to export to f4v and I can't get a film of 1m14s smaller than 17.4 mb (at 960 x 540). And the example is even looking better.

What am I missing?

Xander
Amsterdam

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Re: export to .f4v in high quality and low file size
by Vince Becquiot on Oct 15, 2009 at 4:32:15 pm

Xander,

How much do you know about the Mojito movie?

I'm not sure how big it was, but it took a while to load on our 6 Mbps connection.

I don't think it was encoded at anything higher than 864x480, if even that, and they added what looks like a tiny grid overlay that doubles as pseudo added sharpness. The compression looks very obvious to me otherwise.

It also looks like it may have been shot on film, again hard to tell with the compression, making the original resolution much easier to compress. Either way, I can only guess they had a nice budget given the lighting and shot types, and I'd think they also invested heavily on compression.

If you want better compression, you can look at Squeeze for an H.264 web encode, but you should also setup an flv fallback if you want users of older flash technology to be able to see it.



Vince Becquiot

Kaptis Studios
San Francisco - Bay Area

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Re: export to .f4v in high quality and low file size
by Xander van Baarsen on Oct 16, 2009 at 9:44:07 am

Hi Vince,

Personally I don't know anything about the project, but I downloaded the file and this is what it says:

AVC Coding, 1024 x 470, Millions
AAC, Stereo (L R), 44,100 kHz
bps: 25
1024 x 470 pixels (Actual)
3.1 mb

Chances are big that they had a nice budget, but being motivated to get the most out of my system I'm trying to get to the best results possible. BTW, after a second look the quality I'm getting is at least equal to the Mojito movie. But still I'd like to get a smaller file size. I'm confident there is a solution somewhere.
I will take a look at Squeeze but I'm not falling back to flv. People I have to reach all have the connection needed for f4v.

Thanks for your help and interest. I'll give you a link to the site when it's online so you can see the result (somewhere next week). The site will be in Dutch, but you don't have to speak any to see the result.

gr,


Xander
www.thepeoplesrepublicofmedia.com
Amsterdam

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Re: export to .f4v in high quality and low file size
by Xander van Baarsen on Oct 30, 2009 at 1:55:32 pm

He Vince,

Like I said, I'd give you the link. If you want to you could take a look at the result. BTW, I didn't get the result as I was hoping for. I think one of the reasons the quality isn't always as planned is because of the objects filmed. So next time I'll have to prepare better. Although my struggle for the best way to export keeps going on.
To keep the quality at an acceptable level I didn't do the movie fullscreen but a bit smaller and placed it in a window (the theatre). Sounds a bit weird but you'll understand when you see it.

http://www.manaandegracht.nl/




Xander
www.thepeoplesrepublicofmedia.com
Amsterdam

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