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How do the pros export large files to DVD?
by Carly Smith on Dec 14, 2007 at 2:26:10 pm

Hi, I am fairly new to Adobe PPro2 - up to now we have used it to edit analog footage in wmv format, with pretty poor quality results.

Now we have 2 DV cameras, and LOVE the speed at which we can edit/pre-render, and the quality - woo hoo!

My question is, how to export to DVD like the pros?

I am editing a 2-act live theater show, each act is one hour. I want to put both on one disc.

If I export an .avi file and use Nero to create the DVD, the .avi file on a one-hour program is 60Gbs, at the default 740x480 settings. So of course Nero kicks on it.

How do the pros put a high-quality 2-hour movie on one DVD?
I don't want to lose quality, but have no idea how to do this.
Trying to burn to DVD straight form PPro2 results in a file size too large error.

I saw on another forum that Encore was the product to use, but product reviews called in a consumer product, and not adequate for pro use.

Using a Dell XPS Gen 5 3.25Ghz desktop with 3 Gbs of RAM

Any assistance is highly appreciated.

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Re: How do the pros export large files to DVD?
by Jeff Kosmicki on Dec 14, 2007 at 5:19:48 pm

If you are burning to a single-layer DVD, you should be able to use a VBR of about 4.4Mbps (target rate) for video and 192kbps for audio (Dolby Digital) and fit 2 hours. If you use a dual-layer DVD you can max out the rate to 8.3Mbps. This can be done from the Premiere timeline (at least for the single-layer DVD, not sure about the dual-layer).

Encore is not a consumer product, not even close, it is a full-featured authoring tool. A nice feature in Encore is the ability to import your AVI(s) and Encore can calculate and encode them at the highest data-rate possible to fill the DVD (wheter single or dual-layer).

Jeff Kosmicki
www.toyraygun.net

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Re: How do the pros export large files to DVD?
by mike velte on Dec 14, 2007 at 6:25:07 pm

Using Premiere 2 to create a DVD, especially a long 2 hour one, can cause quality issues because Premiere does not do Dolby audio encoding and PCM requires 1.2 mbps over Doldy.
Export from Premiere as Mpeg 2 DVD, 2 pass VBR, Minimum=2mbps, Target=4.4 mbps, Maximum= 7 mbps.

The results will create 2 files, video and audio, bring both into Encore and author. Encore can do Dolby.

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Re: How do the pros export large files to DVD?
by Carly Smith on Dec 14, 2007 at 6:27:58 pm

Thanks for both of the suggestions - I will try this over the weekend!

~CS~

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Re: How do the pros export large files to DVD?
by Jeff Brown on Dec 14, 2007 at 8:13:39 pm

Carly-- just to reiterate: the key thing here that might be new to you is that you must create an MPEG-2 file for the video DVD. That's how you fit long form stuff into a relatively small space, data-wise. Premiere can create this via Export: Adobe Media Encoder. Or, as Mike said, you can take a DV master (like your 60 GB file) into Encore, and Encore can do the authoring and encoding.

-jeff

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Re: How do the pros export large files to DVD?
by Carly Smith on Dec 17, 2007 at 12:08:30 pm

Well - Encore is crashing on startup after I installed it, so I looked on their forum, but haven't posted this issue yet.
Is Encore more of a memory hog than Premiere?

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Re: How do the pros export large files to DVD?
by Carly Smith on Dec 17, 2007 at 10:24:56 pm

No answer yet on the Encore forum - I see Adobe reports some crashing issues and compatability issues with audio editing software.

Their answers range from restart your machine, to hacking away at the Registry files (ick) and wiping the HD clean and only putting Encore on a fresh Windows install.

any suggestions?

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Re: How do the pros export large files to DVD?-tried still too large
by Carly Smith on Dec 18, 2007 at 12:56:45 am

Jeff -
tried your settings, still too large.
The 2nd act clocks in at 10Gbs, and Encore kicks, saying project size is too big.

I will also try letting Encore transcode on the fly w/the avis and see what happens.

...sigh...

but at least Encore is working.

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Re: How do the pros export large files to DVD?-tried still too large
by Jeff Brown on Dec 18, 2007 at 1:58:08 am

A standard-def video DVD cannot have a data rate greater than about 9Gbps (that's giga*bits*, not Bytes, per second) including audio. You have to reduce the data rate depending on the length of your program.

I don't have a calculator for data rate, as my projects are all less than 20 minutes...

-jeff

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Re: How do the pros export large files to DVD?-tried still too large
by Carly Smith on Dec 18, 2007 at 2:00:45 am

ok, now I'm lost - do I do that when I am creating the MPEG2?
4.4Mbps VBR was the lowest setting available?

Thanks!

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Re: How do the pros export large files to DVD?-tried still too large
by Carly Smith on Dec 18, 2007 at 1:21:27 pm

got it to work - now I have a different problem, so I'm starting a new post.

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