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Eddie KeslerOptimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 2, 2010 at 2:34:58 pm

We are thinking of purchasing a DaVinci on Mac and outfitting a suite. We plan on using it part-time for editing and FX and part-time for color with the hopes that the color will take off in the long run. I am curious what the optimal setup is on a Mac (which Mac, cards, drives, etc...) Another question I have is will the DaVinci run well on an AJA Kona 3 card and not only on BMD products. I don't have an issue with BMD and we use one of their routers, but our edit systems use AJA ioHD and it would be great to tie in with our edit systems and have a great uncompressed HD box for an extra FX suite, etc...

Thanks in advance,
Eddie


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Joseph OwensRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 2, 2010 at 7:20:08 pm

[Eddie Kesler] " will the DaVinci run well on an AJA Kona 3 card and not only on BMD products."

They say it will eventually, but I sincerely doubt that it will be an option in the first release.

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Peter ChamberlainRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 3, 2010 at 3:12:07 am

BMD are quite willing to support alternative video I/O cards in Resolve. Evidence of which is we already support DVS in the Linux systems. However, we do need the other card manufacturers to provide the SDK so we can control it. If there are other specific cards customers want to use, for example because they work with an editing or compositing application, I recommend chasing the third party card manufacturer and ask them when they will support Resolve. I am happy to discuss implementation with them.


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Margus VollRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 3, 2010 at 5:50:25 am

Hi.

In what point of time we could get optimal system description so we could start
building our systems or rebuilding.

Here i mean gonfiguration that works rigth now.

Will there be place where to ask if my multibridge and quadro 4500 work with mac version etc.

Can we get some detailed info or after roadshow ?

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Alexander HigginsRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 3, 2010 at 6:11:23 pm

Hey Peter, this is not good for anyone using AJA products.

DVS is not really in the same category as a consumer card like the KONA3, DVS is well known to give full support to their cards to vendors using them, they sell them like an OEM card. The developers take 100% control. Thats why Filmlight, Autodesk and so many others have used them at one point or another. But, once they hand over that card to those vendors, those vendors have to support the cards. A guy grading on a BASELIGHT will never in a million years call DVS to get support, he calls FILMLIGHT.

So in the case of AJA cards, they are off the shelf cards, consumer cards, if I have a problem with it, I call AJA. It has AJA drivers, AJA utilities.

So if we are getting this information directly from Peter Chamberlain, or the horses mouth, if you will, KONA3 will never be supported on DaVinci. Basically this is that limbo between Pro and Pro-Sumer that kinda screws the users over. FCP works with the AJA KONA3 because Apple lets AJA work with Apple to develop proper drivers etc.

If Peter is asking AJA to give them the SDK for an off the shelf KONA3 card, that is not going to happen. It sounds like for AJA cards to work with DaVinci, Blackmagic would have to buy the OEM KONA3 cards, then devlop the drivers themselves. AJA being direct competition to Blackmagic, I don't see this happening.


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Jamie AllanRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 3, 2010 at 8:04:39 am

Most, if not all, of this information should be available at your local roadshow event.

One of the reasons it's been a bit quiet is that everyone was expecting a refresh of the MacPro this month, but it's looking more likely to be later - around September possibly.

You can easily spec a system for pricing though, the main components that are required at this stage are - GTX285 or FX4800 GFX cards, BMD Extreme 3D IO cards (As per previous posts, other IO will be supported soon if it doesn't actually already work) along with a high spec mac pro (2.93Ghz / 12GB RAM+) and storage that will keep up with your desired resolution/frame rate.

If you have more questions feel free to post em up or get registered to an event near you (Or if there isn't one - contact your local BMD reseller)

Jamie Allan
Post Production Consultant
DaVinci Specialist (Linux/Mac)

Jigsaw Systems Ltd. - IT & Broadcast specialists for the UK
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Nick HassonRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 3, 2010 at 4:08:09 pm

[Jamie Allan] "You can easily spec a system for pricing though, the main components that are required at this stage are - GTX285 or FX4800 GFX cards, BMD Extreme 3D IO cards"


I thought that you could use any Decklink extreme card. It did not have to be the new 3d card?


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Ola Haldor VollRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 3, 2010 at 7:20:28 pm

I've seen in writing and heard from a BMD rep at NAB in several videos that Decklink HD Extreme is supported, and I would think the others in this price range is too.


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Joseph OwensRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 3, 2010 at 11:30:49 pm

[Ola Haldor Voll] "I've seen in writing and heard from a BMD rep at NAB in several videos that Decklink HD Extreme is supported, and I would think the others in this price range is too"

There is so much mis- and dis-information at NAB, that it is almost counterproductive to go.
If a reseller is specifying particular configurations, its because they're going with what they know will work. All the rest is throwing the dice.

As far as that comment about.... "as soon as AJA provides us with their SDK" goes... this is exactly what I was afraid of.

jPo



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Alexander HigginsRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 2:32:23 am

[Joseph Owens] As far as that comment about.... "as soon as AJA provides us with their SDK" goes... this is exactly what I was afraid of.

I think BlackMagic will say, "AJA won't give us the SDK!" But AJA doesn't give the SDK for the KONA3. You can buy their OEM cards and write your own drivers, thats all they offer.

Smooth ploy by BlackMagic to get everyone to buy their hardware. Their is a reason that I chosen AJA since my first IO, the IO HD, and my KONA3 stations, and making everyone buy BlackMagic hardware is not going to make BlackMagic hardware quality any better.

Anyway, maybe its no big deal for some, their cards are cheap and if you make your DaVinci a Turnkey, then its not that big of a deal, but I wouldn't want to give my KONA3 in FCP Studio.


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Margus VollRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 5:41:57 am

Hi.

I'd say it is relatively cheap to buy one BM card and maybe new graphics card and run up to 10 layers of hd corrections in real time.

It is not realistic that one thing that supposed to be the best of the best would work with every hardware out there. Look at apple for instance. There is really not every extension board supported like on pc computer. And there is a reason for that. We like apple computers for that.

If your business needs and can support DaVinci financially then i see no problem there if you have buy thing or two. Otherwise color or madgick bullet will work also and be optimal in business model you have.
If not then id say like some says here in cow, get a job, make some money and then buy stuff you need. This is business you are running here not a social club.

As far as i consider DaVinci on mac is semi big iron and if you want to use it then you have to adjust your sytsem a bit.


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Margus VollRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 8:07:43 am

Hi again.

I wonder what hardware does Revival need?

We probably plan to get one here but i have not seen much information on that.

Maybe i have not looked hard ;) ?



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Jamie AllanRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 8:36:32 am

Revival stand alone is still Linux-only system but now has two levels of software - standard and pro

Having not yet seen the OSX software I cant tell you whether or not the revival page is available there... I'd ask someone at BMD but they're all on the road now heading to Berlin for the roadshow.

Jamie Allan
Post Production Consultant
DaVinci Specialist (Linux/Mac)

Jigsaw Systems Ltd. - IT & Broadcast specialists for the UK
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Margus VollRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 9:00:58 am

Hi.

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/

Pricing does not seem to be linux version ?



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Jamie AllanRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 1:26:43 pm

That's just the entry level software (as far as I'm aware)

Entry: £995
Pro: £6675

Hardware: £6000

Jamie Allan
Post Production Consultant
DaVinci Specialist (Linux/Mac)

Jigsaw Systems Ltd. - IT & Broadcast specialists for the UK
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Margus VollRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 1:29:37 pm

HI.

I looked up Grants original email and there you see:

>DaVinci Resolve v7.0 will be available from June for the Linux version from DaVinci Specialist Resellers, >while the Mac version will ship soon after from Blackmagic Design Authorized Resellers.

So there will be mac version.



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Dwaine MaggartRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 9:36:06 pm

I'm confused. Are you asking about Revival or Resolve? There is (as in the Grant statement you provide) a Mac version of Resolve. There is not a Mac version of Revival.

Dwaine Maggart
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Margus VollRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 9:49:18 pm

Hi.

Seems that i have misread this in office hours. Wishful thinking i'd say.

Hope there will be one or we would get more detailed information on the linux platform
for the entry pricing we see on BM site. I talk about Revival here.

I ask this as we possibly will buy one on mac version and revival + linux full version
if more information will be available.





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Dwaine MaggartRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 10:20:28 pm

There is a Revival thread in this forum with comments by Revival Product Manager Gary Adams that you might find useful, if you have not already read it.

http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/277/95#224

Dwaine Maggart
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Joseph OwensRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 2:42:17 pm

[Margus Voll] "I wonder what hardware does Revival need?
We probably plan to get one here but i have not seen much information on that.
Maybe i have not looked hard ;) ? "


Now this is too funny...

After posting that okay, this is no social club, and maybe you'll need to tweak your hardware a little bit...

you write ..... so what does it need? (!)

Yes, I think you need to look a little harder.

You will find that the entry-level Mac Resolve software is, while still a fraction of what Final Touch was initially offered, still more than the average plug-in. And it does have some very specific requirements, at least in the initial offering... and at first blush, appear to be exactly the opposite of what Apple wants for COLOR, and there isn't enough room in this Mac for the both of them. But my feeling is that the market will determine just how port-able it becomes. The vast majority of the readership here, although shocked at the price of a legitimate grade monitor, somehow still has the impression that a Resolve is going to appear on their laptops with very little fuss, and you know the drill... tomorrow, the world! and etc.

Conveniently forgetting that the real big iron is still out there and actually is still a Linux/proprietary solution. And in a price category that there is no way on gods green earth that they would ever have paid or would have been able to justify if it were called Silicon Color Final Touch. Because color grading was really just a nicety that frankly wasn't that high a priority for them.

I still like the idea, though; its a wonderful toolset, but it isn't going to keep me from building the house with what I have-- and re-inventing the wheel is simply not on my to-do list.

jPo

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Margus VollRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 9:43:25 pm

Hi.

>I still like the idea, though; its a wonderful toolset, but it isn't going to keep me from building the house >with what I have-- and re-inventing the wheel is simply not on my to-do list.

I really agree with you on that. One got to chose system that is optimal for his business.

I'm just glad that we have the possibility to build our systems around really nice platform.





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Eddie KeslerRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 5:32:36 pm

"You can easily spec a system for pricing though, the main components that are required at this stage are - GTX285 or FX4800 GFX cards, BMD Extreme 3D IO cards (As per previous posts, other IO will be supported soon if it doesn't actually already work) along with a high spec mac pro (2.93Ghz / 12GB RAM+) and storage that will keep up with your desired resolution/frame rate. "

I noticed that you can only purchase a Single 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon "Nehalem" processor or a Dual 2.26GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon "Nehalem" processors. You stated a 2.93GHz processor above and I heard that DaVinci was waiting on the next release of Mac Pros? Will neither of these suffice for the DaVinci on Mac? I need to purchase another new CPU next week for some editing and I hope it to be compatible in a couple months with DaVinci software when it's released. Please advise if this is not the case.

Thanks again,
Eddie

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Dwaine MaggartRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 4, 2010 at 9:42:54 pm

Where do you notice that you can't order 2 2.93Ghz CPU's? I'm on the Apple site, and it lets me select that.

Dwaine Maggart
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Eddie KeslerRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 5, 2010 at 12:55:18 am

Ahhh...I had not clicked through to the "options" page. I see 2.93Ghz now.

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Kris AndersonRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 8, 2010 at 4:19:45 am

Did any of you really think BMD would allow Aja to play easily? I mean, come on? Seriously? BMD are well within their rights to limit qualified hardware to whomever they see fit. For crying out loud, Aja is the direct competitor to BMD.

If you're serious about using resolve then you build it to the manufacture's spec. No one buys a Baselight and then complains because they have to buy proprietary hardware. This is the difference between professional end-user and "really wanna be a colourist".

Flame away if you must but it really beggars belief.


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Eddie KeslerRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 8, 2010 at 2:45:58 pm

Of course they might allow AJA to play along. They've already said that it might. DaVinci is not proprietary anyway. It's like anything else in post-production that's made up of a bunch of parts. Resolve is software and a control board. If I'm willing to spend $31,000+ on that alone, why couldn't I run it on $2500 AJA hardware that I already own?

I'm sure that they will prefer it to run on BMD hardware and, if we purchase it, we will eventually probably install a BMD card and I hope that we are booked solid for CC eventually. But. if I can have our last open suite run for both FX/editing in the interim and also in the open slots during our ramp-up period, perform high-end color correction, that would be great–hence my original question. If things work out in the long run, we might even upgrade to the Linux option, if necessary.

By the way, I'm not a "wanna be" colorist. We have a professional colorist who's worked all over the world interested in joining us for this venture. We generate a lot of work for colorists here at our facility.

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Joseph OwensRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 8, 2010 at 3:30:53 pm

Oh, where to begin.
[Eddie Kesler] "DaVinci is not proprietary anyway."

But up to this point, it sure has been. We operated our Renaissance with the doors (on the core processor) open for years because they wouldn't close anymore because of all the jumper-mod wiring spilling out the front. There were no consumer-useable/serviceable parts in the frame, anywhere. There were a couple of ASICS that if they went... it was just a pile of silicon.

That the Mac/Linux version of Resolve runs on a specially-qualified, but otherwise commodity platform
still doesn't exactly exempt it from a proprietary-like category.

[Eddie Kesler] "By the way, I'm not a "wanna be" colorist. We have a professional colorist who's worked all over the world interested in joining us for this venture."

So we would gather that you are not a colorist at all, then.
And in a three paragraph entry, there were eight grammatic conditionals... sometimes two in a phrase.
Wouldn't say I'd be overwhelmed with confidence in the package, maybe, possibly, not... eventually, though... if.....

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Eddie KeslerRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 8, 2010 at 4:17:37 pm

[Joseph Owens] ""DaVinci is not proprietary anyway."

But up to this point, it sure has been."


Thank you. "Up to this point". I'm sure many are scared that a seriously less expensive option is now viable and you think that it puts it in the hands of amateurs. Well, I'm a facility owner and I have a place where the work is based on talent and results and as long as the tools back it up and perform as they should, our clients are happy. We are professionals here and that is what brings in business. It was inevitable that desktop options were going to soon be available for color and wreak some havoc amongst the current business models. I still have an $85K "proprietary-like" Avid sitting in one of our suites that is nearly useless now. We've done more high-end work on laptops than that system as of late. But at that time, it did what it needed to do. We also are rarely getting film in anymore the past year and a half. I'd say over 80% RED, Phantom and similar–for big budget, national spots. It sucks that our $35K digibeta decks don't get used very much anymore, but it's nice to have things passed via files, disks and uploads, which are much cheaper and don't require expensive maintenance.

[Joseph Owens] "So we would gather that you are not a colorist at all, then."

Depends on how you look at it, Joseph. I was a still-photo retoucher 16 years ago. Remember the Shima, possibly?? That big $1 million dollar retouching system?? I used to work on that until fast desktop machines and Photoshop rendered that useless. I also was a type-setter. Know anything about what happened in type-setting back then? (Uh...Mac?) So, Photoshop and Mac bled me into broadcast design and then into editing for the past 14 years. We now generate an average of $150K-$200K a year for colorists around the country and I have supervised hundreds of hours of color transfer sessions. Why would I not be excited at the prospect of having a pro color system here and keep the revenue for us and a talented colorist who's also excited about a new way of doing things? So, to answer your question, I'm not a colorist, I'm a business owner.

Also, why on earth are you questioning my credibility? And grammar?? My original post was about equipment-specific and very viable questions.





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Joseph OwensRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jun 8, 2010 at 7:36:31 pm

I love spirited debate. That's probably the whole reason..
Now, then... I'm actually one of those people who owns a business, too and I probably owe the business, such as it is, to the whole desktop revolution, and the parallels with desktop publishing are not lost on me.

I could have been more precise in my response, since it is not your personal credibility that I attach the conditionality to... its the whole chaotic mess that we are now in. I doubt that even a theoretical astrophysicist could figure out the business model as it now "stands".

jPo



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kim krauseRe: Optimal DaVinci Mac Setup
by on Jul 12, 2010 at 11:09:58 pm

i love my color suite.......apple and color are like the jedi knights....davinci is a bit like darth vader...maybe they should offer a windows based solution for that true all powerful dark side...."this is not the system you're looking for".....you can pass now!


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