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by Ben Edwards on Jun 9, 2012 at 11:11:37 am |
Done a bit of googeling and searching forums without lock.
What is a good way to do a Resolve Premiere Pro CS6 rountrip?
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Margus Voll on Jun 9, 2012 at 11:15:04 am |
Try XML ?
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Pasha Patriki on Jun 9, 2012 at 2:34:04 pm |
This is a great topic. I was literally going to start this discussion today, and here it is!
I am yet to see a succesfull conform in Resolve from Premiere's EDL OR XML. Usually a bunch of clips don't connect, and the ones that connect have wrong in and out points.
I have tried two different types of projects.
1). Original footage - R3D. Offline picture edit was done using Quicktime Prores dailies in FCP. I brought it into Premiere via XML and reconnected the .mov clips to original R3D files. (SIDE QUESTION - anyone knows a way to batch re-link media in Premiere, like you can do in FCP? seems like in Premiere I have to do it clip by clip).
Export EDL (or XML) with R3D clips and then import that into Resolve. Everything falls apart.
2). Same project as above - this time I used Clipfinder to reconnect the clips to original R3D files. Import Clipfinder's converted XML in Resolve - VOILA! Worked like magic. HOWEVER! Import that XML into Premiere, works fine, and then re-export EDL or XML from Premiere, then import into Resolve - everything falls apart.
3). This project originated in Premiere. Source files - R3D raw footage. Exported EDL and "Final Cut Pro XML" - neither version assembles it correctly in Resolve. Same problems over and over.
I would like to add that I recently switched from Mac Pro to PC Resolve, and these problems existed on both computers.
So I think at this point I pretty much singled out Premiere's EDL export as the one causing the problems.
What is the trick to properly and painlessly roundtrip between Premiere and Resolve???????
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• • | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Ben Edwards on Jun 9, 2012 at 8:42:06 pm |
Ouch, so there is no round-trip. Just read the article. You flatten the project and use scene extract in Resolve. There is no round trip so if you, for example, have to cut a feature to a 1 hour TV size you kind of have to redo all your grading;(.
Anyone given speed-grade a try?
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Paul Nordin on Jun 9, 2012 at 10:01:46 pm |
This is the NO1 issue for me WRT using Premiere. I really like CS6 in all other respects. For long form projects, the only success I've had is in PPro:
1. break the edit-lock sequence into 20min reels,
2. bake in any speed changes or other non-XML friendly effects
3. Remove any temp effects
4. FCP XML export the reels.
5. Import the XMLs into FCP,
6. In FCP clean up any import problems,
7. Generate FCP v5 XMLs for each reel.
8. Load the FCP generated XMLs into Resolve.
VERY VERY cumbersome. I had high hopes that CS6 would improve the weak XML interchange, but that was not to be. Now, I'm hoping Resolve v9 might have some mojo to help with this.
I spend a lot of time hoping. :(
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Ben Edwards on Jun 10, 2012 at 12:08:03 am |
Not seem anything is the v9 improvements that seem to indicate an improvement. I have Speedgrade as part of my CS6 bundle so may have to give that a look;).
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Sascha Haber on Jun 10, 2012 at 11:43:45 am |
As if Adobe is interested in people leaving their world...
Especially not with Speedgrade now being part of the package.
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Mike Molenda on Jun 15, 2012 at 4:50:58 pm |
I've been able to successfully roundtrip to Resolve via EDL. I think a big hangup is that you need Reel identifiers and unique clip names, which is a problem for a lot of card-based media.
I think I was able to get it to work by modifying the Tape Name in the Premiere metadata. The integration between Premiere and SpeedGrade is obviously a lot tighter, but a Premiere/Resolve roundtrip can be done.
I've also had some luck roundtripping from Premiere to Color using XML and FCP as an intermediary.
Paul's process above might be a pain for some, but reads to me like pretty standard operating procedure. It's a good habit to remove as many variables as possible so you don't end up with any unpleasant surprises later.
Temporarily remove effects and transitions, and break longer cuts into 20-minute "reels" before grading. Also to take the little bit of extra time to enter metadata when you're ingesting your clips. A little extra work on the front end usually saves a lot of headaches down the pipeline.
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Rohit Gupta on Jun 15, 2012 at 5:29:35 pm |
Hi Mike,
What sort of issues are you running into if you export an FCP7 XML and import into Resolve?
If you could send us your XML, and Resolve project, any screenshots, etc. at our help address - davincihelp (at) blackmagic-design.com, we'd like to sort it out for you.
Regards,
Rohit
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Mike Molenda on Jun 15, 2012 at 10:27:52 pm |
I don't think I was clear. I've actually been able to successfully round trip Premiere to Resolve with EDL. And I've done FCP7 XML to Resolve successfully, too. Thanks for the offer to help, though!
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Clay Coleman on Jul 28, 2012 at 12:43:19 pm |
Having similar issues. I was handed a PPro CS6 Project (90 second mixed timeline with mostly ProRes4444 and some .r3d all at 25fps) to grade and tried the following:
1. select sequence in PPro >export > edl. This works, sort of. In Resolve, the edl didn't bring over the resizes or the numerous retimings and speed ramps the editor used rather extensively. If I had asked the editor to go back and bake in all those effects and give me the project back, it probably would have worked far better. Not very elegant, but at least I would have had my back covered that all the shots were timed and sized as the editor intended.
2. select sequence in PPro > export > fcp xml. This does not work at all well and I can't see using it again anytime soon. The first couple of shots came over ok, but once I hit the shots with speed effects and resizes, things pretty much went haywire. In and out points were no longer accurate. Other shots froze up entirely. Not a workable method.
3. exported a QT ProRes 4444 from PPro via AME. Brought the QT over to Resolve and ran Scene Detect. Works great, but only because the entire show is hard cuts only. Still, it's seems currently the best method as it is the only totally reliable one.
To work really well together with PPro, Resolve either has to be able to read the FCP7 xml's better, or, PPro has to have it's own PPro xml export function and not rely on the fcp7 route (probably not a viable alternative over the long term). At the moment the colorist has to be moderately adept at both PPro CS6 and FCP7 to troubleshoot and solve the issues.
Kinda clunky. Needs a fix.
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Michael Griggs on Jul 28, 2012 at 2:07:00 pm |
According to the manual, speed change effects (as in ramps) are not supported. The entire clip has to be one speed (be it faster, slower, etc.) for it to translate.
Having used the export-the-entire-sequence-as-one-file method, I agree, Clunky to say the least...especially if/when anything beside straight cuts are used. Obviously you can still get away with keyframing for dissolves and such, but if there are any "special" (read: third party plug-in) transitions, that would make things MUCH more difficult.
The next project I get that comes from Premier, I'm gonna try using xml to bring it into FCP7 first; then round trip from there. (Had plenty of success running projects through Legacy.) At least I won't have to keyframe all the dissolve transitions again...not to mention the fun of trying to scene detect and split a 90 minute feature.....
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Ross Wilson on Jun 12, 2012 at 8:39:18 am |
I've got successful conforms..
I brought all my DNG files into resolve, made a quick grade and rendered them out via XML roundtrip then edited in Premier 6. Exported the XML, loaded it back into Resolve and had it all match up perfectly.
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by c-deeq rapheal on Aug 14, 2012 at 5:10:18 am |
WOW,
This is the error message
"the project contained a sequence that could not be opened. No sequence preview preset file or codec could be associated with this sequence type "
I used to color correct in After Effects. I have since got my hands on the Red Epic, the Scarlet, and I plan on buying two Black Magic cameras. Therefore, I decided to change the way that I color correct. I first sterted using speed grade. Speed grade has the capabilities of being a great software. However it has some Major flaws that need to be resolved ASAP .....Which brings me to my point. Adobe Premiere can import and export FCP XML v4 However, davinci can import FCP XML v4 and FCP XML v5 but only export FCP XML v5. What that means is, if you want to import any new XML's that use FCP XML v5, you can't. I don't know what needs to happen but we need Adobe to make an update so that they can support 5.0.
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Joe Maurici on Jan 21, 2013 at 3:39:23 am |
Hi guys,
Looks like this thread died in the you know what mid last year.
I think I have found a workaround, using CS6 and Resolve 9. If i'm missing something obvious please don't hesitate to tell me.
In Prem Pro I am using native R3D files to edit. Once the edit is does export a XML file as is.
Import the XML into the Timeline section of Resolve and it should bring in the clips needed but have trouble linking them to the Timeline itself.
So once you have your clips in Resolve, go into the Media Pool and Select your clips in Reels. I.e. Select all of your A001 clips. Then right click and select Clip Attributes. Click on Reel Name. Select 'User Defined and put in '001'. Do the same for all your other reels '002', '003' etc
Go back into Premiere and choose only the A001 clips you have edited and change the Tape Name to '001' as we did in Resolve. Do the same for any A002 clips etc. Then export an EDL from Premiere.
Go back into Resolve and into the Timelines section import your EDL and it should all re-link perfectly... Should!
I tested this with a Speed change in the EDL and XML.
All the best
Joe
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Margus Voll on Jan 21, 2013 at 8:23:50 am |
You can only have constant speed changes not variable speed change or it will not work.
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Jake Russell on Feb 6, 2013 at 6:04:09 pm |
I am trying your method, but in Resolve media pool, User Defined is grayed and not adjustable out when I click into Clip Attributes.
How do I lift this restriction?
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• • | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Jake Russell on Feb 6, 2013 at 7:57:31 pm |
Using Joe's method above, I am unable to manually change the Reel inside of Davinci. There were no speed changes in my footage.
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• | | | |  | Re: Premiere CS6 roundtrip? by Jake Russell on Feb 6, 2013 at 8:34:07 pm |
I think there's some confusion. According to Joe above, his timeline has a few clips with edit points from Premiere did not come into Resolve correctly and he found a solution. I am having the same problem. My timeline has a couple clips that are not the correct edit points from Premiere.
Here's what Joe said in his post above:
[Joe Maurici] "So once you have your clips in Resolve, go into the Media Pool and Select your clips in Reels. I.e. Select all of your A001 clips. Then right click and select Clip Attributes. Click on Reel Name. Select 'User Defined and put in '001'. Do the same for all your other reels '002', '003' etc"
This is what I'm having an issue with:
I am not able to do what Joe said to do because the options are all grayed out.
Here are my steps to recreate Joe's solution:
1. I have my xml from Premiere and I brought it into Resolve and I loaded it in Resolve.
2. I went back to my Media Pool and selected my R3d files with A001 and I right clicked on it and selected Clip Attributes.
3. A box opens up and I went to click on Reel Name, but the options are all grayed out and I can't select them.
My question:
Is there a way I can fix this so that I can create a User Defined reel name based on Joe's suggested steps?
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