Upgrading XP Pro 32 bit to Vista or XP 64 bit in Boot Camp
by Mike Schmitt (bigmike)
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Jul 20, 2008 at 8:43:24 am
Hi there, I am a new Mac owner and I'm transitioning from Windows.
I've got a Mac Pro with 8 3.2 Gig cores and 16 Gigs of RAM, so I ought to have better performance.
Using Boot Camp, WIndows only sees 2 Gigs of RAM and for some reason Adobe PRemiere Pro CS3 isn't working up to snuff.
I'm thinking about upgrading to a 64 OS, either Vista Ultimate 64 or XP PRO 64 (although they don't sell it at Microsoft)
Have any of you upgraded to a 64 bit OS with boot camp?
Where can I find specific info? I bought and downloaded a full version of Vista Ultimate 64 and it won't install. Period.
Am I better off going to a store and buying a boxed set?
All of my Mac friends are just so happy to be able to use Windows on their Macs, They don't care that it's a little wimpy. They don't realize that a good Windows workstation has a lot of muscle for video editing.
Re: Upgrading XP Pro 32 bit to Vista or XP 64 bit in Boot Camp by Tim Wilson on Jul 20, 2008 at 2:39:24 pm
[Mike Schmitt]"I'm thinking about upgrading to a 64 OS, either Vista Ultimate 64 or XP PRO 64 (although they don't sell it at Microsoft)"
Don't do XP Pro 64. Not only is MSFT not selling it anymore, it was never a "real" OS, in that very, very few developers did much work on it -- especially not in our neck of the industry. If you want 64-bit, Vista is where it's at.
Next, you can't "upgrade" to 64-bit. You can only upgrade from a 32-bit OS to another. The way you get to 64 bits is to start with the DVD (which answers that part of your question) and do a completely fresh OS install.
Re: Premiere, dig a little bit more into the issues related to your configuration. If you run a Google search on Premiere 64-bit, the top result is from the Cow! I LOVE when that happens. Anyway, folks are reporting that it runs without issues...and that there's not much improvement in performance. Adding a 64-bit OS is going to create a whole new set of troubleshooting issues -- are you SURE that RAM is your problem? Are you SURE?
Last but not least, if your goal is to transition to Mac, you might be better off saving the money and trouble of messing with OS stuff, and just buy the Mac version of PPro. You can start by downloading the FREE demo and see how you like it running there.
tim
Tim Wilson
Associate Director, CreativeCow.net
Associate Publisher, Creative Cow Magazine!
Re: Upgrading XP Pro 32 bit to Vista or XP 64 bit in Boot Camp by Mike Schmitt on Jul 20, 2008 at 3:46:54 pm
I have already did a cross platform transfer to Mac... Adobe was great, they just removed the license to my windows version and mailed me out a whole new copy of Production Studio Premium.
Here is where the problem lies: I have two major weddings I have been cutting for months in Windows and all I want to do is finish them. They are both over an hour and one of them is almost two.
I had production studio installed and in my letter of distruction I told adobe i would destroy the software once these two projects are done.... and not install the Mac version until then.
It was working fine until a Macintosh buddy came over and installed parallels, which destroyed my activation codes in windows and Adobe products. Now Premiere sees itself as an illegal copy and won't open.
There is another element I can't disclose in a forum.
I think the problem is actually with audio drivers, not RAM, although RAM is an issue.
The REALTEC HD sound device, for some reason, causes the other element to try and generate peak files and it uses all the virtual memory and all the RAM and crashes.
I've tried upping the virtual memory to ten Gigs and updating all audio drivers and tried every possible setting for ASIO support, including 3rd party ASIO drivers.
It's my hope that the 64 bit system would allow me to finish these two projects. I've already spent 300 bucks for the 64 bit Vista... I'm going to get a refund for it. 300 bucks is not too much to pay to finish the danged projects.
The download version just isn't working.
What I'm thinking about doing is going to the store and buying a box set and trying to install it, but examining boot camp, it says you need to install a 32 bit operating system.
Do I just buy the full version of Vista 64 and open it in my windows partition?
DO I need to move windows to a different disk instead of just a partition on one of the Mac drives?
Do I create a new boot camp patition and try to install it from the 64 bit installer disk?
Re: Upgrading XP Pro 32 bit to Vista or XP 64 bit in Boot Camp by Tim Wilson on Jul 20, 2008 at 4:32:36 pm
[Mike Schmitt]"It was working fine until a Macintosh buddy came over and installed parallels, which destroyed my activation codes in windows and Adobe products. Now Premiere sees itself as an illegal copy and won't open."
First call Adobe to fill them in. They've been good with the rest. They might be ready to help with this too.
I'm surprised about the Desktop install breaking anything in Windows. It's a Mac application. It shouldn't write anything to your Windows partition. Certainly not torch registration-specific registry info. I'm not a super expert, but I haven't heard this one before. Sounds like a problem to take up with Parallels if you decide to try this route later.
[Mike Schmitt]"There is another element I can't disclose in a forum."
If you didn't have a legit copy of Premiere, I'd have guessed from the rest of this post that there was some pirated software in there somewhere. Nothing personal -- it's just that some of these are classic issues with pirated software.
I'm just saying.
[Mike Schmitt]"The REALTEC HD sound device, for some reason, causes the other element to try and generate peak files and it uses all the virtual memory and all the RAM and crashes."
I assume you've downloaded the latest drivers? If so, is there a place on the download center to get OLDER drivers? That works more often than you'd think...although now that I think about it, I've never tried it with audio.
[Mike Schmitt]"It's my hope that the 64 bit system would allow me to finish these two projects. I've already spent 300 bucks for the 64 bit Vista... I'm going to get a refund for it. 300 bucks is not too much to pay to finish the danged projects."
If your problem is with the third-party audio device -- which an ASIO crash can often signify -- then 64-bit is almost certainly not going to work. In fact, this is one of the areas you need to be MOST certain about. Most applications run fine in a 64-bit OS. Premiere certainly does. But NLEs are indeed one class of applications that are slow to upgrade to either Vista OR 64-bit for one reason and one reason only: driver compatibility.
Historically, Adobe has been the world's best at keeping all this in balance -- better than Apple, whose QT updates break FCP on a regular basis. But from elsewhere in the Cow, it sounds like this isn't as true as it used to be.
My point is just that any new OS installation CAN be a risk. Installing the 64 bit flavor of ANY OS *is* a risk, for drivers far more than anything else. No maybe about it.
[Mike Schmitt]"examining boot camp, it says you need to install a 32 bit operating system."
Apple has shipped 64-bit drivers since Jan 08. Boot Camp isn't going to be the holdup.
[Mike Schmitt]"Do I create a new boot camp patition and try to install it from the 64 bit installer disk?"
Certainly the best way to go. The worst thing that'll happen is that it won't work, with the advantage that you haven't overwritten your XP install.
Sounds gruesome, man. You have my sympathy. I'm sorry that this is the end of my advice for you. As with your pals, I haven't had any issues with Win on Mac that will help you. With one arcane video issue with my external monitor, it's been painless -- my easiest Windows installation ever, with my most satisfactory experience of Win thereafter....
One more suggestion: wait until Monday when we have more traffic. If you don't hear anything more helpful, try again in the Premiere forum. There are more Win on Mac folks there than is immediately obvious...precisely because most folks don't have any major problems....
Re: Upgrading XP Pro 32 bit to Vista or XP 64 bit in Boot Camp by Mike Schmitt on Jul 20, 2008 at 4:45:44 pm
Tim, I'm a beta tester for all CS4 products. I can't talk about details, but the target is Vista Ultimate 64...
If I can get Premiere CS4 working in WIndows, I can finish those weddings and move on with my life....
I use Cineform, I need Windows to convert the MXF to Cinform Quicktime codecs.
I would have sent you a private message about it but can't find a contact number for you.
Send an okay to me so I can delete this message. Okay?
Otherwise I'll come back in a few minutes and delete this message and you can continue thinking I'm a hacker.
Re: Upgrading XP Pro 32 bit to Vista or XP 64 bit in Boot Camp by Jeff Hough on Jul 30, 2008 at 3:53:10 am
I'm a little late in posting a response in here, but I thought I'd add my 2 cents worth anyways.
I have a dual boot setup, using Boot Camp for a Windows XP Pro partition. I was running Premiere Pro 2 in XP, and having problems sending video out to an external monitor from the firewire port. Everything else was fine.
Anyways, I never figured out what was wrong, and after some experimenting with trial versions of Premiere Pro CS3 (Windows and Mac), I just decided to buy Adobe's CS3 Production Premium bundle for Mac. It's working great for me.
I also had the same issue in that I had 3 Premiere Pro 2 projects in XP that were current and I needed to finish them. What I did was open each of my current PP2 projects with my trial version of Premiere Pro CS3, and then re-saved them as CS3 projects. Then on the Mac side, I loaded the projects with the Mac version of Premiere Pro CS3. After a quick file re-link, everything came up fine. All of the media (including the Microsoft DV files) play back in real time, and I'm mixing them with newly captured Quicktime DV files on the timeline. All of this is playing back off of my external NTFS formatted 1TB drive. In order to save files or export video files back to the NTFS drive, I downloaded and installed Paragon's NTFS for Mac software.
I don't know if this helps at all, but it might give you something else to think about.
