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Nick WhiteFrame rates? Progressive/interlaced
by on Apr 15, 2012 at 10:48:13 am

Hope this is the right place.

OK. I have just read that 50i is actually 25 complete frames / sec, because only half a frame is done each 1/50 seconds.

Is that correct? Does this mean that 25i is actually only 12 frames per second? So DVDs are only doing 12.5 frames /sec?

That's it. I realise that 25i usually looks smoother when there is motion, but loses sharpness/quality over 25p.(to put it very simply). But if the first bit is true, then that's new. I have also read the 25i is actually _50_ 1/2-made frames per second, or still 25 frames per second (this actually makes more sense to me regarding data rates, computing power etc, but....). So that is why I am asking here for input.

Thanks for any help.

Nick


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Andrew RendellRe: Frame rates? Progressive/interlaced
by on Apr 22, 2012 at 9:15:28 pm

Well, 50i and 25i are usually the same thing. The "i" stands for interlaced and 50i means 50 FIELDS per second interlaced and 25i is 25 FRAMES per second interlaced.

Each frame is made up of two fields, this is the technical details for HD video:
http://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/bt/R-REC-BT.709-5-200204-I!!PDF-E.p...

The first field scans the picture as a series of lines and the second field then scans a set of lines in between the lines making up the first field, and those lines are numbered in the order in which they are scanned, so the first field of a frame is called field one and has lines numbered 1, 2, 3, etc, and the second field is called field two and contains lines numbered 563, 564, 565, etc, and line 564 goes in between lines 1 and 2 (and so on).

[People do use other ways of describing the fields, but I think you can't go too far wrong if you use the official published definitions as above.]


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Nick WhiteRe: Frame rates? Progressive/interlaced
by on May 6, 2012 at 9:55:39 am

D"OH. Sorry for not acknowledging. _Again_ I got no email notification.

OK. That makes things as clear as mud! Not your description and link. They are both very helpful and I am going to save a copy of that document. But does that basically mean that either 50i or 25i really do not exist? One is a misnomer?

Nick


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David RocheRe: Frame rates? Progressive/interlaced
by on Jun 21, 2012 at 2:16:20 pm

They both exist - it's just two different ways of describing the same thing.

An interlaced video frame is processed as 2 fields. Those 2 fields are interlaced to form a frame. So, 50i is 50 fields that make up 25 frames. 25i would tell you that there are 25 interlaced frames per second.

Progressive frames have no interlacing. The entire frame is processed at once.


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Nick WhiteRe: Frame rates? Progressive/interlaced
by on Jun 22, 2012 at 12:53:07 am

Thanks for the reply.

I get it, and I understand interlaced and progressive ok, but it seems silly and confusing. I guess if "25i" means 25 f(rames)ps, interlaced, then I reckon "50i" should mean 50f(rames)ps, interlaced.

Anyway I now know that 25i is actually 25frames ps.

Nick


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