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Malcolm Matuskysub clips and double system sound
by on Nov 14, 2012 at 7:57:21 pm

After synching pix and multi-track audio, then eliminating the camera's scratch track I want to create sub-clips to enable organizing my synched footage in the trim bins.

Its' not working. The sub-clip reverts to the scratch track.

Is this possible? is there a better way to do it?

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Steve RhodenRe: sub clips and double system sound
by on Nov 15, 2012 at 12:45:08 am

Which version of vegas is this?

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Malcolm MatuskyRe: sub clips and double system sound
by on Nov 15, 2012 at 4:43:47 pm

VP11; win7/64 Sorry for the lack of data.

I guess I'm looking for a workflow as John R previously suggested using nested projects, that works great, but I"m having issues with VP11 not bringing more than two tracks of audio through the trimmer. I am now opening 2 instances of VP11 and using one as an "edit" and the other as a "trim bin" if I copy and paste from one time line to the next I am able to bring all audio tracks (3 mono) with the pix in synch, and the nasty scratch track does not pop up.
Naturally I'm trying to avoid rendering all my clips with synched audio, to save time.

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John RofranoRe: sub clips and double system sound
by on Nov 17, 2012 at 12:01:28 am

[Malcolm Matusky] "I guess I'm looking for a workflow as John R previously suggested using nested projects, that works great, but I"m having issues with VP11 not bringing more than two tracks of audio through the trimmer."
Yea, nested tracks only support stereo so there is no way to do this with more than stereo audio.
[Malcolm Matusky] "Naturally I'm trying to avoid rendering all my clips with synched audio, to save time."
I don't believe there is any other way. You're only other option is to render the video with the new multi-track audio to a new file.

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Malcolm MatuskyRe: sub clips and double system sound
by on Nov 19, 2012 at 6:03:35 pm

Thanks' for the reply, I was hoping there was something I missed! I'm now using a second instance of VP11 to act as a "trimmer" and cutting and pasting, I'm able to get multi synched tracks this way.

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Malcolm MatuskyRe: sub clips and double system sound
by on Mar 4, 2013 at 8:06:59 pm

I bought an upgrade to Plural eyes 3, but it's not available yet for windows, but they give you v2 and dual eyes, which I just tried and it worked! I have been using pluraleyes, synching on the timeline and using 2 instances of VP9,10,11 to copy and paste my "clips" because VP was not able to break up the synched material on the timeline to create clips for my trim bins. John R. suggested "nested projects" which worked, but only with 2 tracks, I recently started to record 6 tracks of production audio with a Tascam DR-680 and want to cut with all 6 tracks, if possible.

Today I finally got around to trying out Dual Eyes and it did exactly what I have been trying to do since VP9. I was able to synch audio outside of VP and then import the synched clip to the media bin. Opened the media in the trimmer and selected a portion to make a sub clip, dropped the sub clip on the time line and there were 6 tracks! Amazing.

A new workflow for me using VP 11/12, why Sony cannot enable audio and video to be "linked" like the Avid or Premiere Pro from within the program ??? but now I have a reasonable work around for what I want to do.

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Malcolm MatuskyRe: sub clips and double system sound
by on Mar 4, 2013 at 8:15:45 pm

Update to last post: Though only the first two tracks show in the trimmer, when I made a sub-clip and then dropped it on the timeline, it still had my 6 tracks of production audio, just a note in case your relevant audio for the clip is not on ch.1 or 2.

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John RofranoRe: sub clips and double system sound
by on Mar 5, 2013 at 11:22:07 am

[Malcolm Matusky] "why Sony cannot enable audio and video to be "linked" like the Avid or Premiere Pro from within the program ??? "
How does Avid and Premiere "link" video and audio? What's different about Vegas Pro?

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Malcolm MatuskyRe: sub clips and double system sound
by on Mar 5, 2013 at 7:43:07 pm

I was recently visiting a friend of mine who is an editor, he has an Avid system and just recently started to use Premiere pro, as I explained how I have been handling synched audio with Vegas Pro, he said that his programs handle synch differently. He is able to "link" production audio with video within his program and then edit the "clips" with the audio attached, this is the one aspect of Vegas Pro that I have had difficulty with and now using dual eyes have found a reasonable work around. If you want me to call him and have him explain it in more detail than I am able I will, but from my conversation with him it seems that the other systems are better able to deal with synched audio through the post process. I have not cut on an avid or premiere, I have only been using SVP 9~12.

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Aleksey TarasovRe: sub clips and double system sound
by on Mar 6, 2013 at 4:42:49 am

It seems that you want to join multiple audio/video tracks from different files in one virtual subclip. Vegas can't do that.


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John RofranoRe: sub clips and double system sound
by on Mar 6, 2013 at 11:50:49 am

You could use nested projects for this. Sync your audio and video in a separate project and then drop that into your main project and it will behave as a single piece of media. You can right-click on it at any time and edit the original project and any changes will instantly be reflected in your main project when you save. This is similar to how After Effects creates pre-compositions and Premiere Pro creates sequences.

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Malcolm MatuskyRe: sub clips and double system sound
by on Mar 8, 2013 at 7:17:10 pm

I found this is where "dual eyes" has paid off, I'm able to synch and link outside of VP12 and then actually have the 6 tracks of production audio be editable in the trimmer and be able to make sub-clips with the 6 tracks moving to the timeline, for me this was always an issue with VP, now it's not. Though one "caveat" only two tracks are visible at once in the trimmer, but you can choose which pair in a drop down box, nice feature, but what's better is that all the tracks end up on the timeline when clips are eventually placed there.

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