| what's the best settings for a quicktime render
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 | what's the best settings for a quicktime render
by Karl Dixon on Sep 22, 2012 at 10:34:13 pm |
Hi everyone I am editing a short film shot on canon 5d mark ii, on vegas 7 but when i try to render the movie as a quicktime file uncompressed, it just stops working after a short while saying that i don't have enough memory but that is because the uncompressed quicktime on vegas is so huge that it never works. I need to have a final quicktime file , the movie is aimed at film festivals and we may even transfer it on 35mm. Please can you tell me which settings i should choose, or if i should upgrade to another version of vegas , just don't tell me i should render it as MP4, i really need a higher standard.
Thank you very much!
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by John Rofrano on Sep 23, 2012 at 2:48:37 am |
[Karl Dixon] "I need to have a final quicktime file , the movie is aimed at film festivals and we may even transfer it on 35mm. Please can you tell me which settings i should choose, or if i should upgrade to another version of vegas , just don't tell me i should render it as MP4, i really need a higher standard." I assume by your last comment that you don't want AVC/H.264 because that's a valid QuickTime format as well.
If you want high quality QuickTime then you should download the Avid DNxHD codec and use that. It will give you very high quality with reasonable file sizes and works with both PC and Mac. Of course, when you submit to a film festival submission they may dictate what codecs you can use. That's another reason to use DNxHD because it will hold it's quality if you need to render to other formats.
~jr
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by Karl Dixon on Sep 23, 2012 at 10:03:23 am |
Hi David
Thank you for your message, but I am not a user of avid and I dopn't have time to learn it, I really need an answer about using vegas, but if vegas cannot provide what I need then I have a serious problem...Any advice?
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by Mike Kujbida on Sep 23, 2012 at 10:07:40 am |
Karl, John isn't recommending that you use Avid, he's saying to use the free Avid codec that you install into Vegas and then use that format to render your final video.
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by Karl Dixon on Sep 23, 2012 at 10:08:49 am |
oups sorry John, I don't know why I called you David!
I have another question : can the AVC 264 give a good qulity if transfeered into 35mm? also, as you know Vegas 7 doesn't offer H.264 so what should I do?
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by John Rofrano on Sep 23, 2012 at 3:18:25 pm |
[Karl Dixon] "I have another question : can the AVC 264 give a good qulity if transfeered into 35mm?" So let's understand something. Your camera the Canon 5D Mark II shoots AVC/h.264!!! So is your source good enough to transfer to 33mm film? You tell me... you're looking at it. (which is why I was puzzled when you said, " ... just don't tell me i should render it as MP4, i really need a higher standard." becasue you already have MP4/AVC h.264 footage in a MOV wrapper but I didn't want to embarrass you by pointing that out).
[Karl Dixon] "also, as you know Vegas 7 doesn't offer H.264 so what should I do?" Update Vegas to a more modern version you're only 4 versions behind. Seriously, I don't know how you tolerate editing Canon 5D footage in Vegas 7. The newer versions play that back very smoothly but I didn't think 7 handled it well at all.
Well... you could purchase QuickTime Pro for $25. That will allows you to create AVC/H.264 MOV files. Why do you need a MOV file?
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by Karl Dixon on Sep 23, 2012 at 10:18:19 am |
Oh ok!! I am downloading the DNxHD codec now! Sorry to ask another dumb question : how do I install itno vegas? I am fairly new at this (not new to vegas thoug!)
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by Mike Kujbida on Sep 23, 2012 at 1:36:58 pm |
Double-click the exe file and follow the instructions.
Load your project, choose MOV in the "Save as" box, click "Custom" and, in the video tab, pick "Avid DNxHD Codec" in the drop down box.
Click "Configure" for more options.
I don't use this codec but I'm sure that a forum search will turn up suggestions for the appropriate render settings to use.

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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by Karl Dixon on Sep 23, 2012 at 1:56:07 pm |
OKIDOK§ THAT MAY SOUND STUPID BUT i CAN4T FIND THE EXE ON THE FILE I DOWNLOADED!!! only test frames and source...
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• • | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by Karl Dixon on Sep 23, 2012 at 5:38:23 pm |
Thank you so much! It works very good!!! Just one last question, I did render a quicktime file which is fine but I had chosen in the configuration RGB colors, should I choose the 709 instead? what is the difference? any other settings or configurations to get the best result?
Again I am very happy now, thank you:-)
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by Mike Kujbida on Sep 23, 2012 at 11:42:37 pm |
My limited understanding is that 709 is the color space for HD footage so I'd use that one.
To be on the safe side though, do a render in both and see which one looks better on a properly calibrated monitor.
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• • | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by Karl Dixon on Sep 24, 2012 at 1:47:07 pm |
Wonderful, thank you very much John!
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by Tyson Onaga on Sep 24, 2012 at 6:19:48 pm |
Has anybody got the Alpha channel to work with DNxHD 1080/24p?
I tried Codec Configuration with
Color Level: 709
Alpha: Compressed or Uncompressed
Resolutions: all of them (1080p/23.976 DNxHD 175 10-bit, 175 8-bit, 115 8-bit, 36 8-bit)
Renders without errors ... but when I drop the .mov into Vegas, no matter what I set the Properties, Alpha [Straight, Premult, Premult (dirty)], I'm not seeing an Alpha; i.e., the tracks beneath are covered.
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong (I need the Alpha)?
Thanks.
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by John Rofrano on Sep 29, 2012 at 11:50:49 am |
[Tyson Onaga] "Any ideas what I'm doing wrong (I need the Alpha)?" I have never been able to get the Alpha channel working with Avid DNxHD either. I'm not sure what's wrong. If you need an Alpha channel then use the QuickTime Animation codec.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by Tyson Onaga on Oct 3, 2012 at 2:32:11 am |
Thanks for the reply John.
I opened a request on the Avid site (where, BTW ... posting a "free" technical Q. is like squeezing blood out of a rock) specifically asking this: Using Sony Vegas with DNxHD version 2.3.7 and an Alpha
I submitted my Q. (with steps). In addition, I attached this info which I found this on the Avid site:
When you import alpha from an Avid QuickTime codec, select Alpha > Use Existing in the Import Settings dialog box.
When alpha is imported from a non-Avid QuickTime codec, select Alpha > Invert Existing. This is because the
Avid QuickTime codec inverts the alpha during the movie's creation...
Thus, I think the resulting .mov has the Alpha "inverted" and when you use this .mov in Vegas, it doesn't recognize it.
The Avid "ticket" isn't closed, but I think there's no solution. I've found AE users posting the same Q., also with no solution.
So, long story short ... I will stick with QT Animation with which I've had good success; PNG works but it takes 2x (or more) longer to render.
Unfortunately, it looks like the only place where you can use the DNxHD w/ Alpha .mov _____ is in an Avid NLE.
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• | | | |  | Re: what's the best settings for a quicktime render by John Rofrano on Oct 3, 2012 at 12:45:00 pm |
[Tyson Onaga] "Thus, I think the resulting .mov has the Alpha "inverted" and when you use this .mov in Vegas, it doesn't recognize it. Unfortunately, it looks like the only place where you can use the DNxHD w/ Alpha .mov _____ is in an Avid NLE." This makes perfect sense now that you mention it. I've seen this in composting tutorials where the instructor says, "When using a mask, white lets video through while black blocks it, except if you're using an Avid system where black lets video through and white blocks it!" So Avid has everything backward from the rest of the industry including their masking and alpha channel handling.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com
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