Major flaws with "titling" in svp11 - almost useless

Yes, Giles, I have the same issues with NewBlueFx titler. If I use it, I must render it (m2ts) and bring it back as a rendered file.

J. Paul

System Specs: I7 3.4 Ghz Quad Core 16GB Ram Win 7 Home Prem x64 VegasPro 11 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550

Well... the NewBlue Titler is not from Sony so you can get help from NewBlue FX if it's not working for you.

The ProType Titler was a good idea executed poorly. We all got excited when we saw it but as you have experienced, it is not well integrated with the timeline as the other Sony tools and so it's usefulness is diminished greatly by this.

Having said that, I believe the new Titles & Text plug-in in Sony Vegas Pro 11.0 is awesome. It it way easier to use than the ProType Titler, it has a lot more animation presets built in than the ProType Titler, and you can directly manipulate the text on the Vegas preview window to place it exactly where you want it.

So when you say that you are "only left with the basic Sony Titles and Text" I don't agree because Sony Titles and Text in Vegas Pro 11.0 is a great title tool.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

Thanks for your response everyone,
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one with these issues.

As I have to use AE more frequently to add a pro quality to my titles/graphics I will look into switching to Adobe Premier. AE and Premier work very seamlessly together from my speaking with users. It wouldn't hurt to try it out. Seems to have a strong following too.

It's not the software that makes a great video. The software is a tool, but... the tool must be stable. If it integrates well with other tools, all the better.
Food for thought.

Gilles

Although once you learn an interface it seems less daunting I have to chime in here and say that knowing both Premiere and Vegas given the choice,even with crashes I will, use Vegas. Premiere still has some of the "old school" ways of having clips interact that seem more suitable to computers ten years ago (i.e. keeping everything separate as to not overwhelm... not necessary with 3+ ghz computers.)

There is also another interesting fact to consider: buy Vegas 12 instead of Premiere. This of, of course, is dependent on whether 12 is any more stable but the web page says Vegas 12 will be able to import After Effects files. How well all attributes are ingested remains to be seen but this will solve your workflow problems.

The first of the old ways is that adobe products still do not allow for different video sizes on the same timeline . Add to this that the interface keeps transitions between clips several mouse clicks and dialog choices away unlike the simple Vegas default/drag and drop of transitions.

The Photoshop/After Effects/Premiere/Boris Red style of keeping the layers of effects in the cascade of "stripes" works well for After Effects because it keeps transformations organized. Since Premiere is not so much about adding or creating new visuals but actual editing the interface for me seems unnecessarily removed. I originally started using Vegas when it first came out as an audio engineer when it did not have video capabilities. It looked sort of similar to Pro Tools and Cakewalk but just the ease of response of dragging things around without dialogs popping up everywhere made simple edits so much easier. Premiere still, at least for me, has the design idea of lumping all the most used features like transitions and color in to the same parameter overload windows as the features that actually need them. It still feels like they want to keep the arcane feel of an old analog Avid bay because that is what the professionals are used to... the exact opposite of the design style that led me away from programs like Pro Tools a decade ago. Like you said, though, most of the obtrusive dialogs are gone (most since CS5) but the design directive still seems to be "if it is simple it is not pro" which is a load of rubbish.

Gilles, No need to switch to Premiere Pro, i can tell you,
with Vegas and After Effects, you are in a perfect land, weather
seamless integration or not, After Effects can render to almost
any format already, that drops easily into Vegas. You can easily
do a complete edit from start to final output in After Effects.

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

Does anyone have any tips on the AE/Vegas workflow as described above?
Cheers,

Gilles

[Gilles Gagnon] "Thought I'd give Sony titles and text another go. I tried the "coming at you" preset, as is, out of the box. Performance is pathetic. it jumps/stutters like mad and I can't really see the true result. This is at Preview-half resolution and with the track solo-ed. "

Some of the animations do stutter a bit but it's not too bad on my workstation. Because they're "canned" I usually don't worry about them because I know how they will look. You can always use Shift+B to perform a RAM preview and view them at full frame rates.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

Gilles & Joseph, if you're having issues with NewBlue Titler Pro, please start a help ticket at newbluefx.com. Some things to start with:

1. Make sure you have the most current version installed. Download from here and install only the OpenFX version:
http://www.newbluefx.com/downloads.html

2. Make sure you have the current video driver installed.

3. You can also try various things in Vegas: reduce the Ram Preview amount, change the preview setting to Preview (Auto), see what happens if you turn off GPU Acceleration (just to see if it makes a difference), etc...

Edward Troxel

Change the Vegas preview to Preview (Auto). In Titler Pro, go to Settings and turn off "High Quality Preview".

Edward Troxel

Why does Newblue Titler has to be so touchy with
so many of its users?

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

I think Newblue helped me out with the Titler to get it to work...so far.. They recommend that you reboot before you install Titler because if you have opened Vegas just once and shut it down there is still some part of Vegas running. When I followed their directions unistall the old version of titler,reboot then re-installed Titler Pro it seems to have fixed all of the issues.

Gilles, that option is in NewBlue Titler Pro - not Sony Titles & Text

Edward Troxel

Thanks for the info Craig.
I'm using an i7 w 8gb RAM. I would assume this is powerful enough.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that v12 has improved in this area.

Gilles