Track level FX vs Event level FX and VASST Ultimate S Pro 4.1

Here's my conundrum:

I have a 5 hour multicam shoot with 4 cameras, thus 4 tracks. I colour graded all at event level as, overtime, the lighting conditions changed, impacting 1 camera in particular. I then cut out all the unwanted footage, leaving me with about 150 events per track. I then used Ultimate S to make the camera selections and assemble the master track, but at that point I determined that 1 track was consistently 'too hot'. I did not relish the idea of manually adjusting 150 events so I then went into the FX for the track and made some changes to colour curves and contrast which I could see where having the desired effect in the preview window. However, when Ultimate S assembles the master track, it seems to ignore the track level FX, but still honours the event level FX.

Am I missing selecting a setting in Ultimate S or Vegas to include track level FX? Or do event level FX take precedence over track level FX, meaning I have to revisit all 150 events of the track in question?

My system specs: Intel i7 970, 12GB RAM, ASUS P6T, Vegas Pro 11 (x32/x64), Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, Vegas Production Assistant 1.0, VASST Ultimate S Pro 4.1, Neat Video Pro 2.6

[John Rofrano] "If you copy just Levels, the events that require Color Correction will be wrong. If you copy just Color Correction the events that require Levels will be wrong. If you copy both Levels and Color Corrector, ALL of the events will be wrong!"

Noted that it can't be done at track level.

[John Rofrano] "You should do your multicamera edits first on the raw footage. Then once you have the master track created, then you can start color correcting. You just did it backwards."


I don't understand why colour grading/correcting first and doing the multicam is considered backwards. I don't see how it matters. Here's my work flow: I lay out my 4 tracks, enable multicam, adjust/colour grade the events with the split screen view to match the cameras, do the Ultimate S camera selection, generate the master track. If it does not look right, mute the master track, fix up the lower level event(s) or cut(s) and regenerate the master track. Unmute the master track and check. If I am happy with the result, mute all the video tracks except the master video track (as lower video tracks and the MC tally and MC overlay bleed through in the transitions), select a region and render.What is wrong with this workflow?

My system specs: Intel i7 970, 12GB RAM, ASUS P6T, Vegas Pro 11 (x32/x64), Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, Vegas Production Assistant 1.0, VASST Ultimate S Pro 4.1, Neat Video Pro 2.6

[John Rofrano] "You are grading events that you might not event use."

Thanks for your advice, always helpful, if at times painfully honest and blunt. I guess my workflow is one that I have developed through trial and error, and it probably does mean more time in the edit suite.

On a positive note, as I tend to work on long events such as weddings and shows, I have found it easier to colour grade video event across tracks, and then simultaneously cull what I don't want by splitting the events.

Up until my query, I always have applied FX at event level. I will play with Ultimate S to see how it can help me colour grade groups of events.

I guess I need to go back to skool for NLE editing. I tried recently to enrol in a video production course using Vegas, but they tell me that have have just moved towards FCP and Premiere :-(.

Nigel,

No you didn't miss anything, that's how it works. You can apply effects to a group of selected events using Vegasaur. I think it will add effects to the end of an existing chain without wiping all of them out. If you don't own Vegasaur, use the trial version, and you'll probably buy it.

I will check it out when I get to work and see if it works in the way you need it to. You'll have to redo the step of making the master track in UltimateS.

Jeff

2-Xeon X5680 @ 3.33, EVGA SR-2 Mobo, 48GB DDR3, GTX 580 3072MB, 16TB Attached Storage, Win7, Vegas 11 x64

You can do the same thing with Ultimate S Pro which he already owns.

John, could you kindly point me to the correct point in the users guide / help in Ultimate S Pro?

Really? I didn't know that. I have to look deeper in UltimateS.

Thanks John, by the way, it's a great product.

Jeff

2-Xeon X5680 @ 3.33, EVGA SR-2 Mobo, 48GB DDR3, GTX 580 3072MB, 16TB Attached Storage, Win7, Vegas 11 x64