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Dave PetterutoCan I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 10, 2012 at 11:23:03 pm

I need to change the "Field Order" of several clips on my Vegas timeline. Is there a way that I can change more than one clip at a time? I need to change them from "None (progressive scan)" to "Lower Field First" I can do one clip at a time by going into the clip properties and changing it there, but I can't seem to figure out how to do more than one at a time. Or, is there another way to go about this?
I'm using Vegas 10.

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Dave P.

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Stephen MannRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 11, 2012 at 3:39:32 am

I can't think of any way to do this. Or why I would want to.

I am also no sure where you are changing the field order since there are three or four places where you can do it, but the only one that really counts is in the encoding template.

Also, all media on the timeline are events - not clips.

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Dave PetterutoRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 11, 2012 at 7:59:04 am

Thanks for your reply Stephen and please forgive me for calling events, clips, my bad! At any rate I will try to explain why I want to change the field order of the video events. One day I was supplied some SD 4:3 video clips that looked terrible after being rendered. After messing around trying to figure out the problem I noticed that the field order was upper field first, so I changed it to lower field and it came out great. Now I am importing AVCHD 720p files onto my timeline and they are not looking good after render. I checked the properties and they were None (progressive scan) so I changed them to lower field first and they looked way better. That's why I ask my question. Any feedback would be very much appreciated.

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Dave P.

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Steve RhodenRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 11, 2012 at 9:09:06 am

Have you tried by changing the field order in the Project
properties itself to see if it would also come out great?

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Dave PetterutoRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 11, 2012 at 9:25:26 am

Steve--I'm not near the editing computer right now so I can't check, but I'm 90% sure the project properties are in fact set to Lower Field. I've always used the standard Vegas settings and I think It's always been set on Lower Field, but I will do some investigating when I get a chance.

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Dave PetterutoRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 11, 2012 at 11:30:18 pm

Steve--Even if my project properties are set to Lower Field First, when I check the properties of the events on the timeline they are set at None (progressive scan).

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Dave P.

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John RofranoRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 12, 2012 at 12:55:05 pm

[Dave Petteruto] "Even if my project properties are set to Lower Field First, when I check the properties of the events on the timeline they are set at None (progressive scan)."
Sorry I missed this nuance. It sounds like Vegas is not interpreting you media correctly. In this case, you should not be touching the EVENTS at all. You should right-click on the MEDIA in the Project Media and correct the Filed Order there ONCE. Then any event current or future event that uses that media will be correct.

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Dave PetterutoRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 12, 2012 at 3:14:42 pm

Hi John, per your suggestion I was able to change the properties of the media in the "Project Media". However I tried to select all media at once and change them all at the same time with no luck. I seems that even if the media is highlighted only the media that is touched first or last by the cursor is the one that is effected. Either way I like that method better than changing it on the timeline.
Thanks!

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John RofranoRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 12, 2012 at 4:11:55 pm

[Dave Petteruto] "However I tried to select all media at once and change them all at the same time with no luck. I seems that even if the media is highlighted only the media that is touched first or last by the cursor is the one that is effected."
Yes, if you have multiple media you have to do them one at a time. Once again, VASST Ultimate S Pro can fix this as well with one click. At some point you have to consider what your time is worth doing all of this manually and determine if it's a better investment to buy a productivity tool like Ultimate S Pro. ;-)

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Dave PetterutoRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 12, 2012 at 4:58:13 pm

I do a lot of football video so I deal with LOTS of media. Ultimate S Pro would be paid off in no time. I will explore the purchase.

Thanks again for your input.

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Dave P.

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John RofranoRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 11, 2012 at 1:52:00 pm

[Dave Petteruto] "I checked the properties and they were None (progressive scan) so I changed them to lower field first and they looked way better. That's why I ask my question. Any feedback would be very much appreciated."
You can do this with Ultimate S Pro. If you don't own a copy, you can download the 15-day free trial and use that. Go to the Video FX tab and you'll see a video properties window just like the one in Vegas except this one allows you to affect all of the selected events at one time. You can change the event field order from there.

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Dave PetterutoRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 11, 2012 at 11:19:31 pm

My question --is this something that I need to be doing to these clips/events? Is changing the field order a logical thing to do to render this footage to DVD (to make it look good)? I've done this because it works, but am I doing something wrong with Vegas setting/properties that is causing me to have to do this in the first place?

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Dave P.

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Aleksey TarasovRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 13, 2012 at 10:43:51 am

Hi Dave,

> "Either way I like that method better than changing it on the timeline."

Changing media properties in the Project Media window and on the timeline has absolutely no difference. Media properties change the properties of the media file :)
> "My question --is this something that I need to be doing to these clips/events? Is changing the field order a logical thing to do to render this footage to DVD (to make it look good)? I've done this because it works, but am I doing something wrong with Vegas setting/properties that is causing me to have to do this in the first place?"

It is VERY important that Vegas interprets the media properties correctly. Especially the field order. Otherwise, you'll get bad results. Try the following: Set the correct field order and save it as a profile for future use. These settings will be used whenever a file of that type is detected.



p.s. Vegasaur Field Order Analyzer will help you to identify the correct field order of your video files. And Quick Properties to change it in a batch


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Dave PetterutoRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 13, 2012 at 5:05:30 pm

Thank you for the information Aleksey. I tried to save the profile as you suggested, but it keeps telling me "An unknown error occurred trying to save the video profile" I'm not sure what's up with that :(

I will look into Vegasaur per your suggestions.

Regarding working with these HD files, since I'm rendering for DVD, in addition to changing the field order from "None (progressive scan)" to "Lower Field" should I also change the Pixel aspect ratio from square to "1.2121 (NTSC DV Widescreen)?

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Dave P.

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Brett Underberg-DavisRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 11, 2012 at 6:41:29 pm

[Dave Petteruto] "After messing around trying to figure out the problem I noticed that the field order was upper field first, so I changed it to lower field and it came out great. Now I am importing AVCHD 720p files onto my timeline and they are not looking good after render."

It's very possible I'm mistaken, given that a lot of what I work with comes from a Canon XL H1, and there's a lot of variety in AVCHD formats, but I was under the impression that most AVCHD formats (at least in their raw recorded form) are upper field first? Lower field first is pretty common for SD video in the classic NTSC/PAL formats, but is otherwise on its way to the boneyard.

Am I mistaken?


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Roger BansemerRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 11, 2012 at 12:34:51 pm

Hi Stephen,
Since I use Vegas I am use to saying event and am clear on it. My question is, what is a clip? I never hear it used with Vegas but it is commonly referred to by others in the film industry.

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Stephen MannRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 11, 2012 at 2:00:51 pm

Dave - I was going to suggest that you could only do this with a script. I don't have UltimateS from Vaast (I think John wrote it), but it comes highly recommended.

Roger - If it's on the timeline, it's an event - not a clip. This is important for two reasons. First, on the timeline, an event points to the media (clip). You can have multiple events on the timeline from the same clip. You can trim the event, add a bunch of F/X to the event, and even pan-crop the event. But you never touch the media (clip). This is non-destructive editing. And you can have more events pointing to the same media with each doing something different from the other events. Second, if you search the help file for "how do I do xyz to a clip", you won't find anything.

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Roger BansemerRe: Can I change the "Field Order" of several clips at once?
by on Aug 11, 2012 at 2:22:49 pm

Thanks for the explanation. Makes perfect sense.

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