Creating a project media subfolder?

Creating a project media subfolder?
by Gabriel Solomon on Jun 19, 2012 at 6:09:01 pm

I am editing in vegas pro 11. sometimes I shoot a long clip without cutting the camera. (wedding ceremony) so I have approximate a 20 minute clip. I edit the clip in the timeline. At certain points, I have a few shots that I would like to either save for later or re-use as B-roll. I would like to know if it is possible to create a separate folder within the Project Media Tab and Call it B-roll and then drag the new, trimmed clips that I made within the timeline into the folder. (without destroying the original clips that were imported into the project media bin)

Also, I would like to make a separate subfolder and call it "Montage" since I am trying to accomplish the following. - As I am editing the video (wedding) I see certain shots that I would like to use for an opening or closing montage. I would like to be able to duplicate the entire clip and trim down what I would like to use for the montage and put it in the folder so I can easily find it when i am ready for it at a later point in the edit session.

Does anyone do this or accomplish the same goal by doing something else??

Any help would be appreciated.

Gabriel Solomon
LifeCapture Images

Re: Creating a project media subfolder?
by John Rofrano on Jun 19, 2012 at 7:39:59 pm

[Gabriel Solomon] "I would like to know if it is possible to create a separate folder within the Project Media Tab and Call it B-roll and then drag the new, trimmed clips that I made within the timeline into the folder. (without destroying the original clips that were imported into the project media bin)"

You want to create SubClips. Right-click any event that you want to keep and select Create Subclip and a new subclip will appear in the Project Media. You can rename it anything you want. In the Project Media you can create as many folders as you'd like and then drag yor new subclip into that folder.

You can also create subclips in the Trimmer. Just open any clip in the trimmer, select the in and out points and press the Create Subclip button at the bottom right of the trimmer. This is exactly what subclips are used for (i.e., to save pieces of media as if they were separate media)

~jr

Re: Creating a project media subfolder?
by Gabriel Solomon on Jun 19, 2012 at 8:05:34 pm

John, Thank you so much for your reply. After editing for many years on another software I recently switched to Vegas. I really appreciate that you share your knowledge with the new users.

Gabriel Solomon
LifeCapture Images

Re: Creating a project media subfolder?
by John Rofrano on Jun 20, 2012 at 1:10:39 am

[Gabriel Solomon] "I really appreciate that you share your knowledge with the new users."

You're very welcome. We were all new once... it's just that some of us forget that. ;-)

~jr

Re: Creating a project media subfolder?
by Andrew Lenczycki on Jun 20, 2012 at 2:10:40 pm

John, can you clarify for me please. When a subclip is created, is it still "referencing" the original media (i.e. if I delete the original media, will the subclip still have data?). I could see where this could be useful to trim a long (uneventful) clip down to subclips of just the "good stuff", then get rid of the long clip.

Andrew Lenczycki

Re: Creating a project media subfolder?
by Stephen Mann on Jun 22, 2012 at 7:12:07 pm

Andrew: A subclip is still only a reference to the original media.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com

Re: Creating a project media subfolder?
by Andrew Lenczycki on Jun 22, 2012 at 9:18:54 pm

Stephen,

Thanks for clarifying. Is there any way to "get the good stuff" from a large event, retaining the good parts and being able to discard the original large file? I believe you could edit out all the unwanted stuff and then render the remaining events to a file, but will it be of "1st generation quality" like the source media?

Andrew Lenczycki

Re: Creating a project media subfolder?
by Stephen Mann on Jun 23, 2012 at 2:19:14 am

I don't know if it's the "right" way, but I would just mark a region and render it in an uncompressed format. But if saving space is your goal, buy a larger hard disk because an uncompressed file will be huge. Anything else will compromise your video quality.

What is the problem with subclips? You can have thousands of subclips and each of them can be in hundreds of events, I exaggerate but the point is that there is only one copy of the source media no matter how many times it's referenced by events on the timeline.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com

Re: Creating a project media subfolder?
by John Rofrano on Jun 23, 2012 at 4:16:38 pm

[Andrew Lenczycki] " Is there any way to "get the good stuff" from a large event, retaining the good parts and being able to discard the original large file? I believe you could edit out all the unwanted stuff and then render the remaining events to a file, but will it be of "1st generation quality" like the source media?"

The answer is unfortunately no for HD. There are no programs that will "extract" the parts you want to keep to a new file. You use to be able to do this for SD because DV uses intraframe compression in which each frame stands on it's own. Most HD uses long GOP interframe compression which makes it harder (but not impossible) to do this. So you are left with re-rendering and this is where codecs like CineForm come in handy. It is a very high quality intermediary format that replaces the original footage will near-lossless (some would say "visually lossless") compression. This is what I would suggest you use for your workflow.

~jr

Re: Creating a project media subfolder?
by Stephen Mann on Jun 23, 2012 at 8:28:00 pm

If you encode ("Render As") in uncompressed MOV, you essentially stop the recompression degradation. Of course, the files are huge.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com

Re: Creating a project media subfolder?
by Andrew Lenczycki on Jun 25, 2012 at 2:44:19 pm

Steve & John,

Thanks for both of your replies. It sounds like the "cure" is worse than the disease. I was only asking because I have several video tapes that I need to bring in to Vegas and cut out all the extraneous stuff from each. I would guess that for each 2 hour VHS tape there is actually only 5-10 minutes of "good" video worth actually keeping (i.e. how long do you really want to watch a 2 month old baby staring into a video camera before you ZZZZZzzzzz.)

Andrew Lenczycki

Re: Creating a project media subfolder?
by John Rofrano on Jun 25, 2012 at 6:30:47 pm

[Andrew Lenczycki] "I was only asking because I have several video tapes that I need to bring in to Vegas and cut out all the extraneous stuff from each. I would guess that for each 2 hour VHS tape there is actually only 5-10 minutes of "good" video worth actually keeping (i.e. how long do you really want to watch a 2 month old baby staring into a video camera before you ZZZZZzzzzz.)"

That's relatively easy to do and we would have given you the answer had you told us what you were doing in the first place. ;-)

I assume you will be capturing VHS as DV AVI files. All you need to do is place the footage you want on the timeline and render to DV AVI and Vegas will literally copy the frames untouched (and unrendered with no loss in quality) to a new file. It's called "smart rendering".

Like I said in my previous post, there is no solution for HD but you are not talking about HD and therefore there is an SD solution.

~jr