| 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage!
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 | 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage!
by Mike Clouse on Jun 18, 2012 at 8:24:12 pm |
I just shot my first wedding (I have done other types of events).
and I would REALLY Appreciate some guidance and insight from the
Vegas Pro experts here (I own Vegas Pro 11). I have never had this much
(7hours) of footage to deal with before,I would like to learn the best way to handle it in an efficient manner. I used a Panasonic GH2 camera
that produces great HD video in AVCHD format. I used the 720-60P(MTS) because I want to do some slo-mo clips as well.
I have to go through all the 7-hrs of footage and see what is usable,but after that I know I cant just dump 7-hours of footage on the timeline and expect Vegas to handle it.....so would something like this work...render a clip or two at a time and save to a separate directory ,then back into Vegas for the final product. If that sounds reasonable..what format would you render the AVCHD_mts into to allow for the minimum loss of quality,keeping in mind I will produce a Blu-ray and Standard DVD.( I also downloaded a trial of Cineform)
To sum up ,I guess I am asking for the workflow the experts use when dealing with this much footage and the best way to approach the rendering and re-rendering in Vegas...hopes this make sense!
Thanks for any help offered!
Love the COW!
Mike
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Philippe Gosselin on Jun 18, 2012 at 10:29:20 pm |
Hi Mike,
If you have a decent computer why don't you edit as is?
I've always dropped the footage in the trimmer, trimmed and dropped on the timeline and went from there. Granted I renew my machine every year or so, so it can keep up. I shudder to think of the hassle of rendering all clips to an intermediate format.
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Mike Clouse on Jun 18, 2012 at 10:58:52 pm |
Thanks Philippe
By doing this clip by clip (trimmer then timeline) ,do you think Vegas will
choke?..I have a fast machine core I7 ,8gig ram,two monitors.I just do not want any Vegas crashes(or preview problems) during a long edit if I can avoid it by breaking the 30 min final product up into say..6-minute segments then putting it back together for the final render. Does this make sense or am I being overly cautious on this?
Thanks for the help!
Mike
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Jeff Schroeder on Jun 19, 2012 at 1:22:10 am |
Tell us something about your computer (specs). You should be able to edit just fine if, after applying color correction and whatever, disable the fx in the video preview window, and lower the preview quality. (don't use good or best.) Some i5 and most i7 machines can handle this.
Jeff
2-Xeon X5680 @ 3.33, EVGA SR-2 Mobo, 48GB DDR3, GTX 580 3072MB, 16TB Attached Storage, Win7, Vegas 11 x64
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Mike Clouse on Jun 19, 2012 at 2:34:29 am |
[Jeff Schroeder] "Tell us something about your computer (specs). You should be able to edit just fine if, after applying color correction and whatever, disable the fx in the video preview window, and lower the preview quality. (don't use good or best.) Some i5 and most i7 machines can handle this"
Hi Jeff
Well I mis-spoke on the specs before,its a AMD Phenom II 1065T 6-core processor with 8 gigs of Ram,Radeon 1 gig 6850 Graphics card,one 2t hard disk,and 3t external.
I do usually have to lower the preview to good for smooth playback.
So color correction and all VX,FX done on each trimmed clip? Is this
how you would handle the 7-hours of footage,or render each trimmed,color corrected clip to later bring back into the final product?
Thanks for the help Jeff!
Mike
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Jeff Schroeder on Jun 19, 2012 at 12:46:25 pm |
Mike,
You should break the project into several smaller projects. Before Wedding, ceremony, travel, reception, etc.
I wouldn't render each event one to be brought in later. I would only render once, when finished.
I would take 'snapshots' of my color correction, so I could maintain consistency in a given environment. (i.e. all the church shots match, the outdoor shots match, and reception shots match.) Save all your color correction fx chains so you can quickly add new events from the same camera/environment.
Plan your work well, so you can render overnight if need be. That processor will be sufficient as long as you don't expect highly treated events to preview at best quality.
Jeff
2-Xeon X5680 @ 3.33, EVGA SR-2 Mobo, 48GB DDR3, GTX 580 3072MB, 16TB Attached Storage, Win7, Vegas 11 x64
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Mike Clouse on Jun 20, 2012 at 12:48:21 pm |
Thanks Jeff...not sure how to do color correction "snapshots" but
I will do a search on this term and see what I can find.
It sure is nice to have access to the experts here on the COW!
Thanks for all who help!
Mike
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Jeff Schroeder on Jun 20, 2012 at 5:31:51 pm |
Mike,
At the top of the preview window is an icon of a floppy disk labeled 'save snapshot to file'. You can take pictures of a frame and compare it to your other work. It helps with consistency.
Drag it in over an event you are working on and use the mute or solo toggles in the track controls.
Jeff
2-Xeon X5680 @ 3.33, EVGA SR-2 Mobo, 48GB DDR3, GTX 580 3072MB, 16TB Attached Storage, Win7, Vegas 11 x64
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Nigel O'Neill on Jun 19, 2012 at 12:48:53 pm |
I shoot multi-cam weddings and collectively I can have twelve hours of footage on the timeline from 4 cameras with a mix of HDV, AVCHD and stills. No problems in Vegas (I am still on 10c, though because of my Vasst plugin).
You need to ask yourself (or your client), do they really need 6-7 hours of product? Are they really going to want to watch it all over again? I tend to do a shortened version (set to music) of the bridal preparations unless there is more significant component such as a blessing ceremony (common is Asian cultures) which I include. Sometimes there is also the groom getting shaved by his best man and then dressed by his groomsmen(Greek culture), but once again, I tend to cut that down to music interspersed with short segments of ties being straightened or a witty comment coming from the father of the groom, best man etc.
I then include the wedding ceremony in full, and the bridal party entrance, speeches, cake cutting, bridal dance, a bit of the guests dancing and departures. If anyone is willing to go on camera for a one-on-one interview, I do that and call it 'messages'. I also include a photo montage that lasts about 8 minutes and then typically do a highlights version of the wedding of around 10 minutes.
Typically, I start with about 6 hours of footage, but can do the whole wedding in around 3 hours (including the montage, introductions, extras etc) which just squeezes onto 2 DVD's.
My system specs: Intel i7 970, 12GB RAM, ASUS P6T, Vegas Pro 10e (x32/x64), Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, Vegas Production Assistant 1.0, VASST Ultimate S Pro 4.1, Neat Video Pro 2.6
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Mike Clouse on Jun 20, 2012 at 12:45:13 pm |
Thanks Nigel
Great tips! I am going to use them all!
Now back to Vegas......
Mike
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Nigel O'Neill on Jun 20, 2012 at 2:32:12 pm |
Mike
As the other posters suggest, you need to be very organised and structured. See you after about 60 hours of editing :-).
My system specs: Intel i7 970, 12GB RAM, ASUS P6T, Vegas Pro 10e (x32/x64), Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, Vegas Production Assistant 1.0, VASST Ultimate S Pro 4.1, Neat Video Pro 2.6
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Dave Haynie on Jun 27, 2012 at 1:50:38 pm |
[Mike Clouse] "I have to go through all the 7-hrs of footage and see what is usable,but after that I know I cant just dump 7-hours of footage on the timeline and expect Vegas to handle it.....so would something like this work...render a clip or two at a time and save to a separate directory ,then back into Vegas for the final product."
Vegas will handle that much video just dandy... I have routinely dropped in 3-6 hours of raw video with no problems. I have a slightly faster PC than yours (AMD 1090T), but not dramatically different.
My usual workflow is to apply global effects to all video first. This is color correction and matching (you're only matching if you use multiple cameras; for a wedding, the definition of "white" is usually the bride's gown). I shot a wedding once that took place in a dimly lit nightclub; in that case, I added noise processing as well, to all clips. If you do this, and have the disc space, you can render out to Cineform ($), DNxHD, or high bitrate MXF/MPEG-2 as an intermediate form, which will also make your editing go faster than AVC. If you're using any of these (MPEG-2 at about 40-50Mb/s), you're not going to see any significant loss over the original video. You will need a good deal of spare disc for the project.
When I shoot a wedding, I typically devote a spare ATA drive for the project and all the assets. If, for some reason, I shot with just one camera, I hopefully have a deal with the happy couple for access to digital photos (I shot one in Florida once covered by three separate pro still photographers... there was at least one photographer in every one of my shots, but I had plenty of stills, which can animated,"Ken Burns" style, as useful B-roll cuts).
If you're having stability problems with Vegas (not uncommon these days) or just organizing things, it's certainly possible to break the video up into segments. I usually do this, whether then actual project is a single .veg file or multiple separate projects. For one, I strongly recommend not delivering a long wedding video, unless the customer has specifically asked for it. I prefer to break it up into segments on the disc itself: a montage (if you shot this), the main ceremony, the reception, etc. Even if they do want a single 3+ hr. video, knowing there's virtually no chance they'll ever watch that in one sitting, I use the magic of DVD to ensure the segments are separately available... or if really necessary, use it as an excuse for breaking it up into actually viewable segments (a 3hr single video needs a DVD9_R disc, which is sketchier about playing on the typical DVD player).
So you can have a top-level DVD menu with "Wedding", "Reception", "Play All", and "Extras" options. It's reasonable to create this as separate projects, since that's how the assets go into the BD/DVD authoring app anyway.
-Dave
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• | | | |  | Re: 1st wedding with Sony Vegas...7hrs of footage! by Mike Clouse on Jun 27, 2012 at 11:47:15 pm |
Thanks Dave!
Very good advice! I really appreciate your thought on this..very helpful
Mike
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