Cineform to DVD using Sony Vegas 8 and DVD architect
by Aaron Kline
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Aug 23, 2008 at 11:07:02 pm
Greetings,
I have progresive footage (24p) in CINEFORM format that I would like to
transfer to DVD. My intention is to burn a 24p DVD (not blu ray). I will be viewing on a samsung 1080p HDTV from a Sony DVD with an HDMI port out. I have Sony Vegas 8 and Sony DVD architect 5.
I would like to know the best work flow to OPTIMIZE visual fidelity based on the tools I am using. I saw some dialogue in a previous thread with Douglas Spotted Eagle where he was familiar with Cineform but took the topic offline. Douglas if you are reading can you give me some insight. Feel free to be specific about which formats I should encode to, templates used, and bit rates.
In addition I don't mind suggestions if you think there is a better workflow with other dvd tools. But I am hesistant to put other DVD programs on my laptop because I read several forums on how the DVD creation tools conflict each other.
Douglas Spotted Eagle your commnents are appreciated.
Re: Cineform to DVD using Sony Vegas 8 and DVD architect by John Kert on Aug 24, 2008 at 1:28:57 am
I have Cineform 24p footage (Hi Def from JVC HD100) on my V8 time line. It's a full length feature and I routinely make DVDs via DVDA 5 just using render to AC3 and DVDA MPG2 (you could also specify 24p in DVDA but I did 60i). The DVD looks great nearly as good as blu ray (which I also burned).
That's my 2 cents worth.
Re: Cineform to DVD using Sony Vegas 8 and DVD architect by Aaron Kline on Aug 24, 2008 at 5:54:51 pm
thanks for your reply. Its great that even the DVD is giving you great visual fidelity. I would thank that blue-ray would be substantially beter.. but maybe Cineform helped close the gap! :):)
Re: Cineform to DVD using Sony Vegas 8 and DVD architect by John Rofrano on Aug 24, 2008 at 1:32:36 am
I'm not Douglas although I do work with him at VASST. ;-)
Since you have CineForm 24p source and your desire is to make a DVD I would create a project using the HDV 1080-24p (1440x1080 23.976 fps) template. Drop your CineForm 24p footage on the timeline and edit as you normally would. When you are ready to render, use the DVD Architect 24p NTSC Widescreen video stream template and render the audio separately as AC3. This will give you the best quality.
It is important to note that HDV widescreen and DV widescreen are slightly different. Your DV widescreen will have slight pillarboxes on the sides unless you use the Stretch video to fill output frame size (do not letterbox) option. This will stretch your video slightly so it's up to you whether you want to use this or not.
Re: Cineform to DVD using Sony Vegas 8 and DVD architect by Aaron Kline on Aug 24, 2008 at 5:57:30 pm
thanks for the insight John.
Why cant we just render an original Cinform avi file to 720x480 and put it directly into DVD architect? I would think the more you encode the greater chance of losing resolution and increasing noise regardless of sampling at a higher bit rate.. thoughts...
Re: Cineform to DVD using Sony Vegas 8 and DVD architect by Danny Hays on Aug 24, 2008 at 7:20:30 pm
Just a thought here. With so many people having newer computers and LCD HDTVs, doesn't anybody else connect their HDTV to a second VGA output on their computer, Encode as High def WMV or MPEG and watch it in HD? You could probably by a fast enough computer to play a 1080p 8mbps WMV file for less than a Blue ray DVD player and do alot more with it than you can with a Blue Ray DVD player. Just a thought. Danny Hays
Re: Cineform to DVD using Sony Vegas 8 and DVD architect by John Rofrano on Aug 24, 2008 at 7:37:05 pm
> Why cant we just render an original Cinform avi file to 720x480 and put it directly into DVD architect?
I just assumed you wanted to edit it. You could certainly drop the CineForm file directly into DVD Architect and make a DVD. It won't make any difference in quality since DVD Architect will have to render it to MPEG2 anyway. So whether you render in Vegas or render in DVD Architect you still need to go through the same render step.
Re: Cineform to DVD using Sony Vegas 8 and DVD architect by Jeff Bellantine on Oct 23, 2008 at 4:04:29 pm
I am in a similar boat here, I captured my 1080 24f with NeoHD and edited those files. I like to nest my clips into a final m2t and render from there but am having porblems now. One issue is I used NeoHD trial just to capture since I would most likely not use it again I couldn't see spending the $250 to buy it. Capturing from this camera was a one time deal.
Now I am going to render and my usual render formats are either giving me errors or bad resolution.
Should I render each scene as MPEG2 and AC3 seperately then reassmeble for a final product when I add titles or is there another work flow I should try. I'm thinking the nesting of the CineForm m2t's are causing rendering issues??? Several formats for rendering in AVI are not available since I didn't purchase it.
Is there any way to do this without having to purchase NEO?
Thanks .... from another self taught rookie.
