Capturing with Scene Detection in Vegas Movie Studio
by arthur144
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Oct 30, 2007 at 6:49:17 pm
If I do a basic capture with the Vegas Movie Studio capture program using simply the "Capture" button, Vegas Capture will break the captured video into subclips using timecode break scene detection. This is good except that I cannot do this unattended. I have to physically press the stop button in the capture program when the desired amount of video has been captured.
The "Advanced" tab lets me specify a defined period of capture using in/out marks. However, the captured video will exist as a single large clip. Is there any way to get Vegas to apply scene detection against this single clip, creating subclips. Apple's Final Cut can do this, making "segments" out of a single clip when the menu choice present in the main application is selected to perform scene detection.
I am using Movie Studio but it would be useful to know if Vegas Pro handles capture in the same way.
Re: Capturing with Scene Detection in Vegas Movie Studio by Terry Esslinger on Oct 30, 2007 at 9:06:57 pm
Yes, I believe it does. You can eiter capture thye entire tape with it broken intoo scenes if the clock on your camcorder is set or you can advance capture by marking in and out marks and let the capture utility batch capture. Each in and out mark will result in one scene. I'm not sure if batch capture is possible in Studio??
Re: Capturing with Scene Detection in Vegas Movie Studio by arthur144 on Oct 31, 2007 at 1:03:38 am
Batch capture is possible in Studio. I believe the capture application is the same or very similar.
You can log ins and outs and have them capture as individual clips. What I would like is to be able to capture one long master clip and then have either the capture program or Vegas recognize the timecode breaks and create the subclips.
Final Cut actually works this way. Apple's terminology is slightly different, but you can specify one in and out marking, for example, a duration of 20 minutes and it will capture a single master clip. Then Final Cut has a menu option to find DV "starts and stops" and then it creates "segments" in the project bin as subsidiaries of the master clip. I'd like to see this workflow in Vegas although its not a big problem. Vegas is still my preferred editor in the PC realm.
Re: Capturing with Scene Detection in Vegas Movie Studio by Colin Gould on Nov 29, 2007 at 7:58:04 am
The question is, can you have Vegas automatically create new "events" (eg, scene/segment/clip) based on camera start/stop (timestamp) shots or events, in the timeline or media bins, from an EXISTING (already-captured) multi-shot(long) single AVI or M2T file?
summary: Is DV or HDV automated camera scene detection in Vegas ONLY accessible at capture time (and then by forcing separate files per shot? Or can you split previously captured files automatically later?
This is a purchase-stopper for me.
MediaStudio Pro (and Apple above seems like) don't force camera-scene detection and splitting at time of capture (into 1-file-per-shot). You can "virtually" split by camera scene, using the DV timestamp info, after the capture in the editor.
This is extremely important to my current workflow in MSpro, and my tons of previously captured media...
I heavily rely on editing based on camera shot, and want those camera shots automatically marked in the editor (whether each shot is a separate captured file, or just a virtual clip in larger captured file, should be a choice by the user.)
I would love to keep using MSPro for this, as it works well, except MSPro (and VideoStudio) doesn't support camera-timestamp scene detection/splitting for HDV files, either at capture or in the timeline (it only splits scenes based on image content, which works 99% of time, but is very slow.)
I am trying out the trial version of Vegas and can't figure this out.. I can't believe this feature is missing. I hope this is just unfamiliarity w/ how vegas works??
Re: Capturing with Scene Detection in Vegas Movie Studio by jeditdv on Nov 29, 2007 at 5:40:58 pm
I've never considered it lacking. I usually capture longer length segments that may contain many different scenes. I can quickly scroll through them all on the timeline easily picking out the pieces I want.
Re: Capturing with Scene Detection in Vegas Movie Studio by Colin Gould on Nov 29, 2007 at 6:39:16 pm
Thanks for the feedback.. useful to compare experiences/workflows :)
For your longer-length scenes, are they stop/start events in the camera, or just entire long continuous shots you'll edit later?
My stuff is all mostly "semi-edited" in-camera, since it's vacation and home and other event shots... I'd imagine anything else with multiple takes or shots would be the same (eg film etc); obviously less with continuous-shot taping like concerts/events.
For the former, it's highly critical for me to simply & quickly jump to the next camera start.
MSPro lets me just do Page-Down/Up to jump *instantly* to the next item/"edge" on the timeline, be that a scene cut, marker, whatever... there is NO scrolling or searching involved at all. No need for video thumbnails on timeline either to try and see what it is and where one bit ends, it's already precut. It's instant and very nice.
To edit such scenes, I just need to maybe trim the start/end a bit to remove fluff, or find the glitched camera shot (eg my feet :) ) and remove the shot entirely, etc...
How is that accomplished in Vegas? (w/o scene detection at capture time, which may not always be feasible)?
I've also found the trial version timeline scrubbing to be kind of limiting/slow; partly I found had to use Ctrl key for non-linear scrubbing... I'm more used to semi-instant/non-linear dragging thru the timeline, even if video doesn't always keep up.
Am I missing another feature/setting here, or does it just work differently?
The Vegas variable speed "jog/shuttle" speed control dial was more smooth than MSPro, but again that is linear not "quick/rough drag"...?
Re: Capturing with Scene Detection in Vegas Movie Studio by jeditdv on Nov 29, 2007 at 8:23:02 pm
[Colin Gould]"For your longer-length scenes, are they stop/start events in the camera, or just entire long continuous shots you'll edit later?"
I have both. Depends on the section. For example, I may have one file/section that has 30 different "clips" in it. I may have another file that's one long single shot.
[Colin Gould]"How is that accomplished in Vegas?"
You would need to scroll through the footage. You could use markers or split the clip as you come across each scene change to more quickly access them in the future but you must manually find them.
[Colin Gould]"I've also found the trial version timeline scrubbing to be kind of limiting/slow;"
I frequently use the JKL keys. Press "L" once, and playback is at 1x. Press it again to go to 1.5x and again to go to 2x. The more times you press it, the faster it goes! There is an option preference that let's you up the max speed allowed. By default, it's set to 4x. I always change the setting for JKL/Shuttle Speed to "Fast".
