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by Jeff Gish on Apr 2, 2008 at 9:38:12 pm |
Hey Folks...
We are starting to submit some stuff to DG Dropbox. We have tried a number of programs and always seem to come short. We will be coming out of an Quantel eQ. Someone mentioned we should try Episode and that someone on this forum just might have a preset that is "DG Approved". If anyone knows how to get hold of that preset so we can test a spot with the Episode Trial we downloaded, that would be great!
Jeff G.
FWC
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Craig Seeman on Apr 3, 2008 at 1:04:20 am |
If you can get me your email address I can sent you the preset.
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Jeff Gish on Apr 3, 2008 at 3:07:30 am |
Thanks Craig. I tried to figure out how to send you a PM with my email. Should I just post it here on the forum?
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Craig Seeman on Apr 3, 2008 at 2:55:21 pm |
COW really needs some sort of Private Message System. Ron, Kathy?
You'll probably have to post it as part of a message using at instead of "@" and dot instead of "." to avoid spammers, bots etc.
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Jeff Gish on Apr 3, 2008 at 3:07:39 pm |
Sounds good. The email is jeffg(at)filmworkers(dot)com.
We are posting 2 up right now that we made straight out of our eQ. One at 720x480 and another at 720x512. Not really sure why they want it at 720x512. I know you mentioned in another post about cropping the top 6 lines but wouldn't that crop off the closed captioning line? Hope these aren't stupid questions, but some of DG's specs seem a little head-scratching.
Thanks again....
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Craig Seeman on Apr 3, 2008 at 4:23:02 pm |
They want 512 to allow for Nielsen Sigma encoding. Normally I find that more common with Video News Releases but apparently people are now using Sigma to track spots (confirm they've aired). In analog days that was in the Vertical Blanking Interval.
For the very reason you mention (closed captioning . . . as well as Sigma encoding) you shouldn't crop. In Episode, the correct number of lines are added to either 486 or 480 source so the resultant encode is 512.
Telestream had a patch for Episode 4.4.1 to add the VBI but it's now included with Episode 4.4.2 so make sure you're up to date.
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Craig Seeman on Apr 3, 2008 at 6:35:45 pm |
I should add that I believe they are requesting all spots be submitted at 720x512 now. They had been "grandfathering" in older customers.
Do let me know if they're accepting 720x480 at all.
Using the Episode Pro add VBI checkbox with ensure that any source, whether 480 or 486 will be 512
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Jeff Gish on Apr 3, 2008 at 6:55:26 pm |
When we get the preset from you, can we use regular Episode demo? If we get Episode, we were going to go for the regular version, not Pro.
Also, can MpegStreamclip do these if we get the mpeg-2 plugin for Quicktime?
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Craig Seeman on Apr 3, 2008 at 7:19:26 pm |
I emailed you the preset a couple of hours ago.
It should work with the demo but the output duration will be truncated for the demo so you might need to explain that to DG if you're testing for DG certification.
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Jeff Gish on Apr 3, 2008 at 7:39:15 pm |
Hey Craig...
I'm not getting it for some reason. Try my personal address:
jgish(at)bellsouth(dot)net
Thanks....
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Jeff Gish on Apr 3, 2008 at 4:05:16 pm |
Not sure why my other post hasn't gone up yet, so here is my email address:
JEFFG(at)FILMWORKERS(dot)COM
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Craig Seeman on Apr 3, 2008 at 9:00:09 pm |
emailed
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Jeff Gish on Apr 4, 2008 at 4:36:03 pm |
Hey Craig...
Did the demo. It is normal to have that much black at the top of picture?
Also, do you know if Episode Pro can be put on more than one computer or do you have to buy the software for each individual computer.
Thanks
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Craig Seeman on Apr 4, 2008 at 4:54:11 pm |
[Jeff Gish] "It is normal to have that much black at the top of picture? "
It's required. It's for Closed Captioning or Sigma encoding even if you don't use it. DG used to allow the option but no more. 720x512 is mandatory.
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Jeff Gish on Apr 4, 2008 at 5:19:15 pm |
Thanks. What about Episode Pro? Does the license allow you to put it on more than one computer?
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Craig Seeman on Apr 4, 2008 at 5:31:27 pm |
I think it's 2.
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Actually I believe you can install it on as many computers as you want. However you can only run it on 1 at a time.
If a serial number is active on a computer, trying to open the application on another computer with the same serial will force the 2nd application to quit.
At least that is what it used to do. I haven't tried in a while.
Robert Longwell
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Craig Seeman on Apr 4, 2008 at 6:01:13 pm |
[Robert Longwell] "If a serial number is active on a computer, trying to open the application on another computer with the same serial will force the 2nd application to quit."
If they're on the same network. Gosh we can't reveal all these secrets can we.
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I think it's pretty standard stuff these days ;-)
Robert Longwell
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Jeff Gish on Apr 4, 2008 at 8:00:06 pm |
OK. Now when I do my test encode with your preset, it is always coming up as 720x486 and not 720x512. And the resize box is NOT checked. The original file we are putting in Episode is 720x486.
Any thoughts?
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel by Craig Seeman on Apr 4, 2008 at 8:18:19 pm |
Must be using Episode 4.4.2
Make sure VBI box is checked.
No other filters are needed.
A few posts back you mentioned seeing all that black on top so this isn't making any sense. You either have the black on top and it's 512 or no black and it's 486.
Which is it?
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel/closed captioning by Joe Murray on Apr 5, 2008 at 1:26:24 am |
Craig-
Are you able to upload mpeg-2 files to DG and keep closed captioning intact? When we started with them we were told the captions would be stripped out when the file was ingested into their system. So for some of our spots we've paying their (high) price for captions. would be great if that wasn't necessary any more.
Joe Murray
Edit at Joe's
Charlotte, NC
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel/closed captioning by Craig Seeman on Apr 5, 2008 at 1:42:07 am |
Joe are using Episode 4.4.2 with the Add VBI feature? Episode itself will pad out the top adding the correct number of lines so the results are 720x512. That should leave Sigma Encoding and Closed Captioning intact.
Are you telling me that with DG asking for 512 and the folks at Telestream finding a way to meet that spec with the goal to leave CC and Sigma intact . . . DG is striping it OFF?!!!!!
The CC and/or Sigma should be intact on upload. Don't use the crop filter and just let the VBI add the black to the 720x486 source.
There was a time I was concerned about cropping to 480 and then VBI adding 32 lines on top but I've confirmed with Telestream and my own tests that you if your source is 486 and you don't crop, the VBI feature will add 26 lines to give you the correct 512.
If you want me to test for you, you can get me a spot and I'll use my DropBox for a test.
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel/closed captioning by Joe Murray on Apr 5, 2008 at 1:50:05 am |
[Craig Seeman] "Joe are using Episode 4.4.2 with the Add VBI feature?
I've sent DG a new test file using Episode 4.4.2, but not with closed captioning. Have yet to hear the result but it did not get rejected for format issues. I'll do another test with a closed captioned spot.
[Craig Seeman] Are you telling me that with DG asking for 512 and the folks at Telestream finding a way to meet that spec with the goal to leave CC and Sigma intact . . . DG is striping it OFF?!!!!!
I'm not saying this is happening now, I'm only saying this is what I was told a couple of years ago when I first signed up with FastChannel and subsequently DG. I've been going on the assumption that it's still the same as when I started, only because I had not heard that things have changed, but it's good to know that Telestream has found a way to make this work with Episode.
So for our projects that must be CC'd, we've either been having it done locally and shipping a tape to DG, or if we're on a tight deadline we'll have DG do the captions, at about twice the price of our local option.
Joe Murray
Edit at Joe's
Charlotte, NC
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel/closed captioning by Craig Seeman on Apr 5, 2008 at 2:16:05 am |
[Joe Murray] "'m only saying this is what I was told a couple of years ago when I first signed up with FastChannel and subsequently DG."
Joe, that's ancient history. That's when they required 480. The whole point of 512 is keep all that stuff AFAIK. That's the point of the add VBI feature in Episode.
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel/closed captioning by Joe Murray on Apr 5, 2008 at 2:19:19 am |
That's great, but I missed out on that news somehow. We're still submitting 720 x 480 to DG every week and no one there has ever suggested we should be doing anything differently.
Joe Murray
Edit at Joe's
Charlotte, NC
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel/closed captioning by Craig Seeman on Apr 5, 2008 at 4:14:11 am |
That's odd. For the longest time they were grandfathering in their older customers (allowing them to stay at 480) but a few months back some of the older customers were saying they were stopping that.
BTW I was one of the folks being grandfathered so I only found out when other DG customers started grumbling. I set upon the task of creating a preset with the then current version of Episode . . . DG had told them 512 but apparently didn't make it clear they wanted all the extra black on top (although maybe that's a "duh" on my part). When I finally figured out they wanted it all on top I discovered I couldn't do it in then current version of Episode (4.4.1)
To make a long story short, I told the Telestream folks about this and they tossed me a "patch" for Episode 4.4.1. When I confirmed it worked, they incorporated it into 4.4.2.
So all this came to pass very recently as you might guess.
DG does have an odd way of communicating with its customers sometimes.
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• | | | |  | Re: DG Fast Channel/closed captioning by Bryon Middleton on Mar 23, 2009 at 9:05:00 pm |
I have been searching the cow for a while on the most effective and financially sound way to close caption my TV spots, but haven't found much that is of help to me. Does anyone have any more useful information or link they can share that might help me out.
I've looked in to MacCaption but it seems expensive.
Currently I am using
Media 100 HDe V12.1.1 (Intel)
After Effects CS3 Professional
and
Episode to encode for DG Fastchannel distribution.
Bryon Middleton
Director of A/V Services
Media One Inc.
Bryon Middleton
Director of A/V Services
Media One Inc.
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