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Thomas FrankOffline media when using Cinema Tools Database (RED FCP7 and Color)
by on Oct 7, 2012 at 8:09:50 pm

I am having a issue with Color!
So I imported the R3D into Final Cut Pro 7 (ProRes 422) finished my edit and exported a EDL.
Dragged all the R3D (RDM folders) into Cinema Tool which created a Cinema Tool database.
Open up the EDL in Color set all the project setting to the correct setting (24 frames and resolution) pointed to the Cinema Database and clicked import.

All clips are offline, red with a x. What could be causing this?

All Apps are up to date and the Folder structure for the RED files are:
Day01/folder.RDM/folder.RDC/file.R3D

Yes I have a similar post in a older thread but I am hoping this gets more sighted.

Thanks!



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Joseph OwensRe: Offline media when using Cinema Tools Database (RED FCP7 and Color)
by on Oct 9, 2012 at 6:00:38 pm

[Thomas Frank] "So I imported the R3D into Final Cut Pro 7 (ProRes 422) finished my edit and exported a EDL."

Why not simply send the sequence to COLOR from FCP directly?

jPo

"I always pass on free advice -- its never of any use to me" Oscar Wilde.


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Thomas FrankRe: Offline media when using Cinema Tools Database (RED FCP7 and Color)
by on Oct 9, 2012 at 6:48:37 pm

Will this give me the option to reconnect to the original RED media?
I haven't tried alone do to the fact it wasn't mention in the Workflow whitepaper.

Also will the Speed adjustment (slowmo and speed ups) translate over into to Color?

Thanks



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Joseph OwensRe: Offline media when using Cinema Tools Database (RED FCP7 and Color)
by on Oct 10, 2012 at 2:51:42 pm

Sorry, I missed the transcode to ProRes, not just ProRes wrapper then, I gather. No, it will only reconnect to the RedCode media if you had used the proxy QTs on the FCP timeline or the ProRes "wrapper" method. You could try to duplicate your FCP ProRes timeline and reconnect that to the RedCode media, even the QTproxies. It would work then, and COLOR does go all the way to the 4K files if that is what you have. Can't say for certain that the latest Red Driver for COLOR supports 4.5K, and 3K would be very doubtful.

Linear time remaps work in the later versions of COLOR 1.5.

jPo

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Thomas FrankRe: Offline media when using Cinema Tools Database (RED FCP7 and Color)
by on Oct 11, 2012 at 11:22:18 am

Okay, know I am really confused so the RED workflow from Using RED Media With Final Cut Studio
v30.1.0
does not work anymore???

I followed the instruction as followed:
Stage 1 — Ingest Using ProRes, and Perform an Offline Edit
1. Ifitʼsnecessarytoedityourprogramatofflinequalityforefficiency,transcodethe archived RED media to one of the Apple ProRes codecs: ProRes 422 (Proxy), ProRes 422 (LT), ProRes 422, or ProRes 422 (HQ) using the Log and Transfer window in Final Cut Pro. (For more information on each codec, see “Transcoding to One of the Apple ProRes Codecs.”)
2. EdityourprojectinFinalCutProasyounormallywould.

Stage 2 — Build a Cinema Tools Database
1. DragthefolderthatcontainstheREDCODEmediausedbyyourprojectontothe Cinema Tools icon in the Applications folder, or in your Dock (if you put it there).
2. WhentheCreateNewDatabasedialogappears,clickCreateDatabaseandAdd Clips.
3. WhentheNewDatabasedialogappears,ignorethesettingsandclickOK.The settings in this dialog have no effect on the creation of the database.
4. WhentheNewDatabasesavedialogappears,chooseanameandlocationforthe Cinema Tools database youʼre creating, and click Save.
A new Cinema Tools database is created, and all of the media in the folder you dragged (including media in all subfolders) is automatically added to it. When this process is finished, a dialog appears, telling you how many clips were added to the database.
5. ClickOK.
The database opens up in List view. If necessary, you can add additional REDCODE media from other hard drive volumes that are used by your project, to make relinking to media in multiple locations easier.
6. DragotherREDmediausedbyyourprojectfromanyothervolumesontothe Cinema Tools List View window.
7. Whenadialogappearsaskingifyouwantto“Addnewclipstothedatabase?”click OK.
When this process is finished, another dialog appears, telling you how many clips were added.
8. ClickOK.
The Cinema Tools database is automatically saved. When youʼre finished adding REDCODE media, quit Cinema Tools.

Stage 3 — Export an EDL of Your Project from Final Cut Pro
1. ItʼsagoodideatodosomeprojectpreparationbeforeexportinganEDLtoimport into Color.
2. ExportanEDLusingthesesettings:
• EDL Title – Defaults to the name of your sequence
• Format – CMX 3600
• Target Video Track Only – On
• Reel conflicts – Generic edits
• EDL Notes – All off
• Master, Start Time – Defaults to the first timecode value in your sequence
• Audio Mapping – Audio events are ignored, but you can set all tracks to None
to simplify the resulting EDL.
3. ClickOKtoaccepttheEDLExportOptionssettings.
4. WhentheSavedialogappears,choosealocationandclickSave.

Stage 4 — Import the EDL into Color, and Relink Using the Cinema Tools Database
1. OpenColor.
2. WhentheProjectsdialogappears,locatetheEDLyouexportedduringStage3,and click Open.
3. WhentheEDLImportSettingswindowappears,choosetheappropriateEDLFrame Rate, Color Project Frame Rate, and Source Frame Rate (all three should match the frame rate of your edited sequence in Final Cut Pro), then choose an appropriate Project Resolution for the REDCODE source media youʼll be relinking.
4. ClickBrowse.
5. WhentheSourceDirectorydialogappears,locatetheCinemaToolsdatabaseyou created in Stage 2 (it will have a .ctdb file extension), and click Choose.
6. ClickImportintheEDLImportSettingsdialog.
A new Color project is created from the EDL, and the REDCODE media referenced by the Cinema Tools database is automatically relinked to the clips in the Color Timeline.

This method did not work as mentioned the clips stay offline.
What do you mean with [Joseph Owens] "No, it will only reconnect to the RedCode media if you had used the proxy QTs on the FCP timeline or the ProRes "wrapper" method."
When imported in Log and Transfer FCP created ProRes files (only 422 and 422 HQ).


[Joseph Owens] "FCP ProRes timeline and reconnect that to the RedCode media,"
As far as I know the RED Raw media in 4K is not supported in FCP7 correct?

Maybe post a step by step solution that has worked for you so I can give it a try?



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Joseph OwensRe: Offline media when using Cinema Tools Database (RED FCP7 and Color)
by on Oct 16, 2012 at 3:44:32 pm

What I did with a project a couple of years ago was took the project offline, and then clip by clip reconnected to the "P" proxy QT in each .RDC folder. It requires no transcoding, COLOR will reconnect to the master .R3D file in that folder at its maximum resolution. COLOR is not compatible with 3K R3D files, and I don't know if anyone has bothered to update the driver for EPIC.

After that its just worrying about the looping bug creeping in.

Because Apple has abandoned development of COLOR and new codecs and workflows have been introduced, the application should be considered dead and obsolete. It would be fine for DVCPro and ProRes native projects, but for RAW, it is a thing of the past.

jPo

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