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Color Grading
by Miguel Mendoza on Oct 21, 2009 at 7:10:36 pm

Hi all!


I was wondering for color grading, what other softwares is there in the market?

What about Blackmagic DaVinci? Seems really high-end.


Thx!

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Re: Color Grading
by walter biscardi on Oct 21, 2009 at 7:15:53 pm

[Miguel Mendoza] "What about Blackmagic DaVinci? Seems really high-end. "

to put it mildly. If you have some seriously deep pockets, it's not a bad little tool. :-)

Scratch is one that's used a lot

Quantel Pablo.

There's a bunch out there. If you've done any research at all on Color Grading, you'll find lots of options readily available to meet any budget.



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Re: Color Grading
by Arnie Schlissel on Oct 21, 2009 at 7:50:24 pm

Iridias Speed Grade
Digital Vision's Nucoda and Film Master
Autodesk Luster
Pandora Pogle
Synthetic Aperture Color Finesse

I'm sure I'm missing a few.

And some people use FCP, Avid, After Effects, Premiere, Shake- whatever they feel comfortable with given the situation that they have.

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Re: Color Grading
by Loren White on Oct 21, 2009 at 9:41:03 pm

This is always fun...

Pandora Revo/Pogle (finishing tools)
Autodesk Lustre (finishing tools)
Davinci Resolve
Baselight
Filmmaster/Nucoda
Quantel Pablo (finishing tools)
Iridas Speedgrade
Avid DS (finishing tools)

Lower end,

Apple Color,
Color Finesse,
?



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Re: Color Grading
by walter biscardi on Oct 21, 2009 at 10:03:14 pm

[Loren White] "Lower end,

Apple Color, "


That's actually funny. I suppose if you mean in terms of realtime speed, sure. But in terms of final output. Nope.



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Re: Color Grading
by Arnie Schlissel on Oct 22, 2009 at 1:08:26 pm

[walter biscardi] ".I suppose if you mean in terms of realtime speed, sure."

And in terms of price. I think it's next real competitor costs around $20k.

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Re: Color Grading
by walter biscardi on Oct 22, 2009 at 1:16:07 pm

[Arnie Schlissel] "And in terms of price. I think it's next real competitor costs around $20k. "

Yep and those who paid $20k or more for their solutions need to protect their investment by trying to dumb down the cheaper solutions and insist that they are "lower quality," "Lower end," etc....

Of course most folks seem to forget (or they didn't know) that Final Touch 2k was $25,000 just a few years ago and that's the same software we all run today as Color.....



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Re: Color Grading
by Loren White on Oct 22, 2009 at 6:58:27 pm

By "Lower End" I meant price.

I'm pro Apple Color.

which got me thinking,
It'd be nice if Color was built into FCP and FCP got better compositing tools.

then it'd be.. Final Cut Super Pro? (competitor to Avid DS)

I understand you can bounce around between the FCS app's but it'd be nice to just do it in one application.



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Re: Color Grading
by walter biscardi on Oct 22, 2009 at 7:04:06 pm

[Loren White] "I understand you can bounce around between the FCS app's but it'd be nice to just do it in one application. "

I'll disagree with you there too. Color is such a deep application it's best to keep it stand alone. Same with Motion.

You could bring some elements of the apps into FCP, but to incorporate everything into one large application will yield a bloated and probably slow running app that won't do everything well and would most likely be unstable. Can't imagine cutting a documentary with the 200+ hours of material that we have in a Final Cut Color Motion SoundTrack Pro application. Would probably take 20 minutes just open the application and load all the footage.

Look at Premiere, Photoshop and After Effects. There's a reason Adobe keeps them separated. They run best as individual apps that are tightly integrated. That's what Apple has to do, get better integration between the apps.



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Re: Color Grading
by Ronen Pestes on Oct 23, 2009 at 8:01:03 pm

[Walter Biscardi ] "I'll disagree with you there too. Color is such a deep application it's best to keep it stand alone. Same with Motion."

I have to disagree with you Walter on that, the big advantage of the Avid Symphony is that you can color correct and edit at the same time, and clients love it. it is maybe not the preferred editing (or old fusion) work flow, but it does work.

and yes, better integration (and maybe better file naming system for render color files) can be a huge improvement. I hope that the people in apple can make it work with out slowing down the system.

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Re: Color Grading
by Loren White on Oct 23, 2009 at 10:50:22 pm

Yeah, as long as the computer power is there, (as it is in the DS box) it could work.

Would be a huge undertaking but would be great for finishing work..



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