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Color cancelled rendering
by Alexandre Cruz on Oct 19, 2009 at 8:30:38 pm

Hello,

Scenario:
Project settings: 1920 x 1080 DVCPro HD 29.9 Upper Field.
Color 1.5
MacOsX 10.5.8
2x 3GHz Quad Core Intel Xeon
4GB RAM

Problem:

Left a sequence of 1978 shots imported from FCP rendering (just one layer, no effects, no titles, no motion, no cropping, no nothing, just pure editing). Came back and the rendering was cancelled on shot 810.

Checked orginal media: it plays fine. Checked it's name: no strange characters. Checked hard disk space: plenty of space available.

Gave it another shot but the same thing happened: cancelled on shot # 810 and Color crashed. So I went to the rendered media folders, everything is there, Deleted two temp files from folders 811 and 812. Opened Color again without the beautiful green bars and selected all shots after shot #810 and started rendering again.

Now rendered stopped again at shot # 1512. This time Color didn't crash so I waited for several minutes until it came back, sent the timeline to FCP, saved, quit FCP, came back to Color, reselected shots from 1512 an on and restarted rendering.

Anyone knows how to "relink" this first 810 shot to a Color sequence?

My painful workaroud it will be importing all rendered material into FCP and edit manually, one by one.

Anyone of my colleagues here knows a way to "relink" those already rendered media?

Alexandre Cruz
www.nuclear.art.br
São Paulo - Brasil

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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by Shane Ross on Oct 19, 2009 at 10:08:55 pm

Color has issues with lots of clips. I heard tell of a 300 clip limit in Color. I push it to 400, but I don't go beyond that. You should break up your sequence into multiple parts, so that you stay between 300-400 clips.



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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by walter biscardi on Oct 19, 2009 at 10:19:16 pm

[Shane Ross] "Color has issues with lots of clips. I heard tell of a 300 clip limit in Color. I push it to 400, but I don't go beyond that. You should break up your sequence into multiple parts, so that you stay between 300-400 clips. "

Color 1 yeah, but Color 1.5 doesn't have those limits. You can send a 90 minute timeline into color 1.5 and render it out just fine.



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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by Alexandre Cruz on Oct 19, 2009 at 10:24:39 pm

Thanks guys...

But anyone would know if there's a way to "relink" already rendered media, that is in the right place, back into a Color sequence?

Regars,

Alex

Alexandre Cruz
www.nuclear.art.br
São Paulo - Brasil

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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by Uli Plank on Oct 20, 2009 at 7:51:20 am

Color 1.5 has rendering problems even with fewer clips than that if you used RED proxies (in spite of Colorfixer).

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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by walter biscardi on Oct 19, 2009 at 10:23:36 pm

[Alexandre Cruz] "Left a sequence of 1978 shots imported from FCP rendering (just one layer, no effects, no titles, no motion, no cropping, no nothing, just pure editing). Came back and the rendering was cancelled on shot 810. "

I don't know of an "810 shot limit" on the new Color. It's supposed to render off all the shots no matter how many they are these days. We graded a Nat Geo special recently with about 1200 shots in 1 hour. No issues with rendering.

You might have to follow Shane's advice after all and just break up your project into multiple parts before going into Color. You're certain you have zero filters applied to those shots?



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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by Alexandre Cruz on Oct 19, 2009 at 10:36:46 pm

Hi Walter,

Because you asked I went to the sequence to double check (I didn't do the editing). There are a TWO "flops" one prior to the first crash shot (#810) and another one after the second crash point (#1512).

Well, two crash points, two filters... maybe there's a relationship, right?

Thanks for the pointers.

Alex

Alexandre Cruz
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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by walter biscardi on Oct 19, 2009 at 11:41:31 pm

[Alexandre Cruz] "Well, two crash points, two filters... maybe there's a relationship, right? "

Absolutely. We had a project recently fail here because there were several flop filters in the timeline. Removed them, re-sent to Color and all worked just fine.



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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by Alexandre Cruz on Oct 20, 2009 at 12:14:55 am

Good to know,

Unfortunately I think I'll only be able to use the tip next time cos I already graded, one by one, almost 2000 shots. And there's no way I can "borrow" the grades from one project to another, right?

The good news are: I imported 810 folders into FCP, dragged them all to the timeline, voilá: it's edited.

Thanks again.

Alex

Alexandre Cruz
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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by Andrew Kimery on Oct 20, 2009 at 12:16:41 am

[Alexandre Cruz] "And there's no way I can "borrow" the grades from one project to another, right? "

Save the grade to the Grades folder and you can re-use them anytime you need them.


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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by Alexandre Cruz on Oct 20, 2009 at 12:30:04 am

Hi Andrew,

I know I can save a grade from a shot and use it on another shot, but is there a way to save ALL the grades of that really long sequence (almost 2000 shots) as a setting and re-apply it to another sequence at once?

Thanks.

Alex

Alexandre Cruz
www.nuclear.art.br
São Paulo - Brasil

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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by Uli Plank on Oct 20, 2009 at 7:54:51 am

You can import all the grades from another project at once if the number of clips and their length fits (Import -> Color Corrections).

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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by Alexandre Cruz on Oct 20, 2009 at 1:32:26 pm

Thanks for the tip Uli.

I really appreciate it.

And thank you all guy for the great help.

Sincerely,

Alexandre

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www.nuclear.art.br
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Re: Color cancelled rendering
by Michael Cinquin on Oct 21, 2009 at 9:41:38 am

I beleive you could use the "declare render complete" option here : http://www.michaelcinquin.com/tools/color/color_operation so as to make Color understand it has already rendered the shots, and correctly send them to FCP afterwards

Michael Cinquin


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