Re: DeGrain or Grade first? by Noah Kadner on Sep 17, 2009 at 4:44:58 am
I'd say it depends on the shot but as you could pick up grain of a completely different nature during grading I'd go ahead and start with a clean version first.
Re: DeGrain or Grade first? by Alan Okey on Sep 17, 2009 at 7:24:48 pm
[Uli Plank]"Neatvideo is great, but it introduces some – err, may I call it "splotchiness" ? "
Have you tried Video Purifier from Innobits? I own BitVice, which I love, but I haven't given Video Purifier a spin yet. Looks like they have a trial version available.
I just finished a project that contained some underexposed HD footage, which became fairly noisy when the levels were brought up. I was considering giving VP a try, but I haven't taken the plunge yet.
Re: DeGrain or Grade first? by Michael Nichols on Sep 20, 2009 at 8:09:31 pm
Interestingly enough, I am finding that NeatVideo is lifting the bottom a bit. This footage was pushed two stops in processing and real grainy. I think, for this specific scene, I de-grain first, then grade.
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Re: DeGrain or Grade first? by Erik Lindahl on Sep 21, 2009 at 10:47:40 am
This is a bit off-topic but in terms of degraining and regraining I did have a few questions (and you peeps seem to have some insight).
I take different software or plugins will handle different scenes better or worse. So far when needing de-grain I've relied on the built in tools of After Effects and Shake. These improve the scene often but are far from optimal. Does anyone have a good site comparing the available tools?
I'm on the beta-program for "Furnace for FCP" which holds some pretty powerful tools in the above area. I hope I don't break any NDA's by saying this but I'm experiencing extremely slow rendering times there. Output is outstanding - DirtRemoval for instance seems to do an awesome job on film-footage but yeah… Extremely slow rendering times.
I've used Neat for still-footage de-noising before (actually even used in a few years back on an image sequence which worked great). So their video-plugin is worth looking into?
I have two primary areas I want to cover:
- Degrain and later re-grain scenes (special effects or just clean-up noisy footage)
- Dirt Removal
Furnace sounds like "the tool" I've been looking for but the rendering speeds are extremely slow.
My primary tools are Final Cut, Color and After Effects (Edit, Grade, Effects).
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Re: DeGrain or Grade first? by Blase Theodore on Sep 21, 2009 at 7:44:02 pm
I suggest grading first, conforming to a final QT, then degraining. I use REVision's DeNoise for AE with great results. Minimal "posterizing" or blotchiness when used conservatively. Just set it to go overnight and leave it.
I suggest grading first then degraining, because the grading process will increase the grain, and you don't want your grade bottlenecked by the grain.
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