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Color/Avid MC intergration
by Brendan Maghran on Sep 2, 2009 at 6:43:35 pm

Is there any way that apple color can be integrated with Avid media composer. I like working on both avid and fcp, and avid's CC is not nearly as good as Apple Color. I know if i were to import it through final cut it wouldn't take it as a timeline, but as one clip. Just wondering if this is possible.

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Re: Color/Avid MC intergration
by Shawn Larkin on Sep 2, 2009 at 7:39:38 pm

Step 1

Make sure your Media Files in Avid are a format that FCP/Color uses--i.e QuickTime / Not OMF. If this is impossible, convert them all to QuickTime and re-link to them. If this is impossible, skip to the bottom of this post for the alternative recommendation.

Step 2

EDL or Automatic Duck from Avid to FCP

Step 3

FCP to Color

OR

Just use FCP for the whole show

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Re: Color/Avid MC intergration
by Josh Petok on Sep 3, 2009 at 3:40:13 pm

I'd be curious to hear if anyone is using this workflow...

1. Output the sequence to be color corrected to tape
2. Output an EDL from the sequence
3. Capture the un-color corrected tape with FCP
4. Send to color
5. Notch using the EDL

Josh Petok

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Re: Color/Avid MC intergration
by Arnie Schlissel on Sep 4, 2009 at 1:30:17 am

[Josh Petok] "1. Output the sequence to be color corrected to tape"

Not if I can help it.

You can export a QT from Avid, use Compressor to convert it to ProRes and notch that with an EDL.

Tada. No deck rental, and if it's not feature length, probably quicker, too.

Arnie

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Re: Color/Avid MC intergration
by Brendan Maghran on Sep 4, 2009 at 2:05:54 am


Do you export the avid sequence as a quicktime reference or as quicktime file? And after you convert that file to prores in compressor how do you get color to recognize the EDL from that prores file? Sorry if I sound dumb but I'm rather inexperienced with EDL's in general as well as color.

Thanks for the help thus far though.

Brendan

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Re: Color/Avid MC intergration
by Kristin Leys on Sep 4, 2009 at 2:42:45 am

We use Color with Avid here...

after a fair bit of testing we came up with a workflow involving 2 machines.

On my right is one Mac Pro Avid Media Composer with SDI Mojo,

on my left is a Mac Pro FCP system, with AJA Kona 3.

I offline at full res on Avid.

Then playout via SDI directly from Avid to FCP.

Use Automatic duck to transfer Avid Bin to FCP.

Re-Notch in FCP, roundtrip to Color, add GFX in FCP/Motion.

Print to tape.

We avoid software export from Avid as it consistently produced a lower quality image.

The two machines allow you to keep working while rendering.

Every freelancer can cut in their preferred system. Although most of our folks prefer to cut on Avid.

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Re: Color/Avid MC intergration
by Craig Mieritz on Nov 15, 2009 at 4:20:00 am

Hi Kristin-

Can you expound a little more fully about your workflow, particularly the step "playout via SDI from AVID to FCP." I'd greatly appreciate it.

Craig

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Re: Color/Avid MC intergration
by Arnie Schlissel on Sep 4, 2009 at 1:04:13 pm

[Brendan Maghran] "Do you export the avid sequence as a quicktime reference or as quicktime file?"

I don't export anything. A client brings me a QT on a hard drive. They export a self-contained movie in DNxHD 10 bit.

[Brendan Maghran] "how do you get color to recognize the EDL from that prores file?"

That's covered in the Color manual. You open Color, import the EDL as a cutlist and point Color to the media file.

Arnie

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Re: Color/Avid MC intergration
by Joseph Owens on Sep 4, 2009 at 2:58:43 am

Keeping the workflow "project" based is vastly preferable, especially if there is a certain amount of layering that would be an advantage. I have gone this tape-mediated path on a few rare occasions, but wound up hand-notching the project in FCP as there were some issues with the EDL. And the V1-only nature of the CMX standard wasn't enough to entirely describe what was going on on the timeline anyway.

As it turned out with one notable project, there were so many tif/jpgs on the timeline, about 33% of the movie (feature length) that I would have been baking the thing for at least as long as it took to play it out from the AVID and recapture it in FCP anyway.

jPo

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Re: Color/Avid MC intergration
by Shawn Larkin on Sep 5, 2009 at 12:45:42 am

Maybe I'm just being an idealist here, but if you have a FCP workstation with Color on it, why kill yourself doing this massive work around? I mean get some decent FCP editors and stop blowing money on Avid. Maybe use Final Cut Server instead of Unity, which does 10 x as much stuff for 10 x less if you have to network everything.

Or not.

I mean Avid and DigiDesign Support is just amazing. I hear they are going to release a Snow Leopard update very soon...

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Re: Color/Avid MC intergration
by Arnie Schlissel on Sep 5, 2009 at 1:45:26 am

[Shawn Larkin] "Maybe I'm just being an idealist here, but if you have a FCP workstation with Color on it, why kill yourself doing this massive work around?"

If you provide finishing services for outside clients, you provide that service to them regardless of what they prefer to work with.

This is the philosophy in da Vinci and Luster suites, and there's no reason why Color/FCP suites can't provide the same type of service.

Arnie

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http://www.arniepix.com/

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