Moving Render Files
by Martin Nelson
on
Sep 1, 2009 at 12:28:25 pm
This is sort of a Color/FCP questions so I've posted a variant on the FCP forum.
I want to pack up my project on a drive and take it somewhere. All of my pre-color-correct FCP files are already on that drive.
1. If I move my Color render files:
a. should I just do it from the desktop level or is there a suitable method within Color or FCP?*
b. Will I be able to reconnect them in FCP and
c. Since they're each in their own folder will I have to locate each one separately?
2. What other Color files will I need to track down if I hope to open the Color project on another computer (assuming it already has Color)?
3. Has any of this been simplified in the latest release?
Thanks for the feedback,
Martin
*It appears to me that the Media Manager in FCP insists on copying everything in a sequence including the stuff that is already on the destination drive. I don't have room for the huge volume of duplicate material. I realize I may just not understand Media Manager.
Martin
Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5
OS 10.4.11
Color 1.0.4
FCP 6.0.5
Quicktime 7.6.2
Avid Xpress Pro w/Mojo 5.8.4.43810
Re: Moving Render Files by walter biscardi on Sep 1, 2009 at 12:36:13 pm
If all your Media Files from FCP are already there, then just copy your Color Renders folder over with the proper project.
Copy your Color Project file over.
If you have any saved Grades or ColorFX or other saved areas in Color, copy those folders over.
Now eject and turn off your main media array.
Now Open your Project but reconnect media to the portable drive you want to take with you. If anything is missing, it will show up now.
Be sure to put all the Grades and other Color specific folders into the right place when you get to the other machine.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author.
Credits include multiple Emmy, Telly, Aurora and Peabody Awards.
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Re: Moving Render Files by Martin Nelson on Sep 1, 2009 at 6:33:56 pm
Thanks Walter, that was a straight forward answer.
I did my rendering to my main hard drive. I know this is not the best policy, but i wasn't sure how much space I'd need and all my other drives were pretty full. I would like to reconnect and test before I walk out the door as you suggest. Since I can't eject this drive can I simply rename the old Renders folder on my hard drive after I've copied it so as to hide it from the app?
And will FCP locate all these files on one point or will I have to direct it to each of the numbered folders separately?
And I bet someone -perhaps you- has already written in great detail on this forum about what are the critical folders and files to take along (besides the render folder) and where to find them. Got any leads?
Questions lead to questions lead to questions,
Martin
Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5
OS 10.4.11
Color 1.0.4
FCP 6.0.5
Quicktime 7.6.2
Avid Xpress Pro w/Mojo 5.8.4.43810
Re: Moving Render Files by Bob Sliga on Sep 1, 2009 at 6:58:39 pm
Hi Martin,
Its easier than you think.
Copy the complete render folder of the project you want to move to another hard drive.
Next, open the Color project and change the Color Project Render Directory to point to the rendered files on the new drive.
Next, select File > Send To FCP. This will finish the round trip into FCP with the Color rendered files linked from your new drive.
Hope this helps.
Bob Sliga
Freelance Colorist & Apple Color Trainer
FC Studio 3 Color Expert
Re: Moving Render Files by Martin Nelson on Sep 1, 2009 at 7:12:04 pm
Cool, Bob. Will that take into account things I've done to the sequence (including adding text back, cutting in additional shots and even using some FCP color correction) since I last sent to FCP?
Thanks,
Martin
Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5
OS 10.4.11
Color 1.0.4
FCP 6.0.5
Quicktime 7.6.2
Avid Xpress Pro w/Mojo 5.8.4.43810
Re: Moving Render Files by Bob Sliga on Sep 1, 2009 at 7:21:45 pm
It will include everything that was rendered. If you made changes after you last rendered you will have to re-render those shots to include any new Color grading changes.
Hope that helps.
Bob Sliga
Freelance Colorist & Apple Color Trainer
FC Studio 3 Color Expert
Re: Moving Render Files by Martin Nelson on Sep 1, 2009 at 8:13:56 pm
Not to drag this out, but if I find I can't clear enough space on my preferred drive and have to bring in a new one, will copying the entire project using Media Manager in FCP bring over my Color render files?
Martin
Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5
OS 10.4.11
Color 1.0.4
FCP 6.0.5
Quicktime 7.6.2
Avid Xpress Pro w/Mojo 5.8.4.43810
Re: Moving Render Files by walter biscardi on Sep 1, 2009 at 8:28:47 pm
[Bob Sliga]"No It will not touch any Color Render Files.
Media Manager is for FCP only, not Color.
"
Actually, yes it will bring the Color Render files over, we do this all the time. As long as the timeline is in Final Cut Pro and you media manage the entire project, yes, it will copy over the Color Render Files along with the original FCP media.
We do this all the time with projects that are sent to us, we color grade, then we Media Manage the project back to their drive.
You can't Media Manage from Color, but if you do it in FCP, yep, they'll follow along. Just NOT in the Color Render folder anymore, they will simply be lumped into the resulting Media folder.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author.
Credits include multiple Emmy, Telly, Aurora and Peabody Awards.
Owner, Biscardi Creative Media featuring HD Post Biscardi Creative Media
Creative Cow Forum Host:
Apple Final Cut Pro, Apple Motion, Apple Color, AJA Kona, Business & Marketing, Maxx Digital.
Re: Moving Render Files by Bob Sliga on Sep 1, 2009 at 10:35:45 pm
Yes if the rendered project was sent back to FCP and the media was linked, sure Media Manager would work.
But as I understood the question he wanted to move the Color rendered files to a different drive but he doesn't have enough room for all the files so he wants to media manage first. I can't see that working. He has to first move all the Color rendered files to the drive of his choice. Then do a Send To FCP with the files linked to his new drive. Then after that he could media manage without issue because the Color media is referenced in FCP. But if there is a new option for Media Manager to work with Color rendered files before they are sent to FCP its a new feature.
Bob Sliga
Freelance Colorist & Apple Color Trainer
FC Studio 3 Color Expert
Re: Moving Render Files by walter biscardi on Sep 2, 2009 at 12:12:54 pm
[Bob Sliga]"But as I understood the question he wanted to move the Color rendered files to a different drive but he doesn't have enough room for all the files so he wants to media manage first. I can't see that working. He has to first move all the Color rendered files to the drive of his choice. Then do a Send To FCP with the files linked to his new drive. Then after that he could media manage without issue because the Color media is referenced in FCP. But if there is a new option for Media Manager to work with Color rendered files before they are sent to FCP its a new feature. "
Ok, let's start from Color again. The Render is done.
Send to Final Cut Pro (Don't move anything)
Now in Final Cut Pro, select the timeline (From Color)
Media Manage
Copy that timeline to the drive of your choice.
You've now moved only that timeline with only the Color Renders to the a new drive.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author.
Credits include multiple Emmy, Telly, Aurora and Peabody Awards.
Owner, Biscardi Creative Media featuring HD Post Biscardi Creative Media
Creative Cow Forum Host:
Apple Final Cut Pro, Apple Motion, Apple Color, AJA Kona, Business & Marketing, Maxx Digital.
Re: Moving Render Files by Gerry Curtis on Sep 2, 2009 at 8:51:13 pm
Walter,
In your method does that allow Martin to re-open the Color projects from the second drive after media managing them? That was part of Martin's original question and what I think Bob was trying to address.
Re: Moving Render Files by walter biscardi on Sep 3, 2009 at 2:14:15 pm
[Gerry Curtis]"Walter,
In your method does that allow Martin to re-open the Color projects from the second drive after media managing them? That was part of Martin's original question and what I think Bob was trying to address. "
You would have to have your original Media files to re-open the project as that is what Color is going to refer to on the new system, not the rendered files. If the Rendered files are there, Color may recognized that certain files are rendered, but in order to do any further work on the project, you will require the original media files.
According to the original post, those files were already transferred to the 2nd drive, so yes, he would be able to work on the 2nd computer.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author.
Credits include multiple Emmy, Telly, Aurora and Peabody Awards.
Owner, Biscardi Creative Media featuring HD Post Biscardi Creative Media
Creative Cow Forum Host:
Apple Final Cut Pro, Apple Motion, Apple Color, AJA Kona, Business & Marketing, Maxx Digital.
