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dan cazKeyed Subject clothing always flickering
by on May 17, 2012 at 4:14:45 pm

I have this reoccurring problem when I am using a green screen and that is when I remove the green and make the adjustments (with keylight)my subject has this flickering effect happening all the time. Especially in darker colors like blue jeans or a black shirt. It's like the pixels are flashing between dark and light over and over - an unintentional glitter effect. It looks nasty. I actually have better luck keying in premiere pro with the Ultra Key but it seems strange that it should work better than AE...

It's confusing because my Keylight "screen matte" shows the subject as solid white and the background as solid black so there isn't any transparency. This flickering isn't transparency but Im not sure what it is.

Is this a lighting issue or just over-tweaking the key. I try and adjust as little as possible.

Thanks


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Kevin CampRe: Keyed Subject clothing always flickering
by on May 17, 2012 at 4:41:36 pm

you may be seeing keylight's despill efforts, where it tries to remove any green screen color that spills on the subject from the screen. this often looks a bit like noise that gets added to the subject.

to double check that that is the issue, toggle the 'view' from final result to intermediate and see if the problem persists (at the possible expense of green spill on the subject).

if you still want to suppress spill but try and lessen then noise that the spill suppression is causing, often setting the replacement method (in screen matte settings) from soft color to hard color can help.

Kevin Camp
Senior Designer
KCPQ, KMYQ & KRCW


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dan cazRe: Keyed Subject clothing always flickering
by on May 17, 2012 at 5:04:41 pm

Thanks Kevin, you nailed it. That really cut the noise down.

I've seen lots of basic tutorials about keylight and keying in general but they all use these near perfect scenarios where the keying is a one-click solution. I would love to find some more advanced tuts on dealing with more problematic keying for all us young and poor folk lol.

Thanks again!


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Kevin CampRe: Keyed Subject clothing always flickering
by on May 17, 2012 at 5:21:33 pm

the foundry has a users guide that has a procedural keying technique that can be pretty useful:

http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/keylight/user-guides/

it essentially uses 2 instances of keylight, the first to create a core matte (it calls inside mask), the second to produce the key.

another good technique is aharon rabinowitz's 'super-tight junk mattes' technique that you can find in the ae tutorials here at the cow.

and you can use both techniques on the same key to really define the area that will be affected by keylight.

for more complex spill suppression situations, andrew devis also has a tutorial here.

you can also find several techniques and tutorials here (and on the web) for creating light wrap when you are compositing your keyed elements into a shot/scene, which will usually really help to make it look natural.

Kevin Camp
Senior Designer
KCPQ, KMYQ & KRCW


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dan cazRe: Keyed Subject clothing always flickering
by on May 18, 2012 at 1:14:22 pm

Thanks I'll take a look at those!

Daniel Caza


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